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Title: `Clive John RIP
Post by: Michael Heatley on August 24, 2011, 05:19:42 PM
It is my sad duty to inform you all that Clint has passed away after a  long fight with emphysema.

Here's a short obituary I'll be sending to the press - if you know it all, as you will, please skip to the quotes!


CLIVE JOHN

Welsh band Man, leading lights in progressive rock between 1968 and 1976, are best recalled for guitarists Micky Jones and Deke Leonard. But it was keyboardist, occasional guitarist and vocalist Clive John who played the major role in transforming the Bystanders, Man’s pop-playing predecessors and Top 20 wannabes, into the more successful album-based outfit they became.
Hailing from a Pembrokeshire family but educated in Merthyr, Clive John had achieved some success with the Bystanders, formed in 1963 when his group the Crescendos merged with local rivals the Rebels. But as 1967 brought a sea-change in the wake of ‘Sgt Pepper’, he became aware of their limited musical horizons.
“We were doing Beach Boys, Four Seasons stuff and so on – doing it well and enjoying it, as it happens – but things just had to move. I was listening to Zappa and people, listening to different sorts of music, so I started shoving that to the rest of the boys, hoping they’d pick up on it. It was a gradual process. We’d started to write our own songs, grow our hair and so on. By the time Deke arrived, we’d had a good year or so to change. We then told our manager that we were no longer the Bystanders, and were going out as Man.”
Leaving Man for the first time in 1971 was due not so much Clive’s disillusionment with his colleagues but the rock’n’roll treadmill in general. He rejoined within a year “‘cos I missed it. ‘Cos I loved it, really.” Even switching from keyboards to guitar to accommodate Phil Ryan didn’t make any difference. But if the first time he left “was because I wanted to, the second time it was obvious to the boys that I was fed up; it came down to who was going to say so first! I was relieved to be off the road, because in that situation one place looks just like another. I mean, you could be in Timbuktu or Glasgow…”
After recording a solo album, ‘You Always Know Where You Stand With a Buzzard’ with the help of Andy Fairweather Low and other Welsh pals, he became a successful builder, but remained active on the Swansea scene with bands like his own Tremblin’ Knees, Contraband and the Blues Bunch. He was a regular guest when Man played home-town gigs, now short-haired and unrecognisable from the Jesus-maned figure of his heyday. A genuine musical visionary and all-round nice guy, he will be sadly missed.

George Jones, son of Micky: ‘If it wasn’t for him, Man would not have existed. He and my Dad were the Merthyr boys who said “We’ve got to get out of this place” and used music to do it. I’d like to think he’s found my Dad up there and they’re sitting down with acoustic guitars, a spliff and a bottle of Scotch writing more psychedelic madness.’

Deke Leonard: ‘He was vital, the face of Man. He wasn’t the greatest keyboard player but he sounded like he did on the record, which was crucial  – his offerings were pungent, and when he left that was diluted. I remember we played our Number 3 hit ‘Erotica’ in France at a rich man’s party. None of us wanted to do the (female) moans and groans (on the record), it would have seemed too masturbatory. So Clint saved the day by climbing on his organ and fucking it – switching it on and off to get the sound required. I’ll always remember that.’

Title: Re: `Clive John RIP
Post by: Alan Davies on August 24, 2011, 05:26:52 PM
Very sad news. Saw the Knees in The Singleton in Swansea a few years back they were really enjoying themselves. Buzzard will get an airing tonight. RIP Clint.
Title: Re: `Clive John RIP
Post by: Colin Salter on August 24, 2011, 05:30:45 PM
Very sad. Can't see the press picking up on the whole Deke quote though!
Title: Re: `Clive John RIP
Post by: Colin Jouxson on August 24, 2011, 05:31:53 PM
Very very sad news on Clive's passing. Clive was one of the funniest and approachable guys I ever met in the music scene. I loved watching him play because he loved doing what he did best and his enjoyment of playing always wore off on the fans. I had a great photo of Clive,Micky,Jimmy Carl Black and myself taken in the patti some years back. Clive was his usual humorous self pulling jibs while my mate was trying to take the picture and pissing himself laughing at the same time.. I cherished that photo but sadly lost it with a lot of cherished Man pics when my PC crashed. I once asked him  at a "tremblin knees" show what it had been like on the road with Man in those early days,his answer "F****** crazy".

A great guy,and a fantastic musician and another huge loss to the manband family  R-I-P Clive John.... you were a top geezer.
Title: Re: `Clive John RIP
Post by: Allan Heron on August 24, 2011, 05:32:47 PM
Sad news.   Over the past decade when we were down in Wales, Clive was always so warm and welcoming and greeted me like an old friend every time.   I'll remember him for that just as much as the music.
Title: Re: `Clive John RIP
Post by: George Jones on August 24, 2011, 05:39:22 PM
I can only echo what I said on Facebook.......

RIP Clive John, The founding member of MAN. You brought us all together, you started it all. So many wonderful friendships have been created, because of what you and 4 other musicians started.

Clive John, the underlying driving force of the early welsh music scene.

Words cannot express how upset I am for this loss....

R.I.P my friend, Say hello to Micky and Ray for us all XXXXXXX
Title: Re: `Clive John RIP
Post by: Mike Morgan on August 24, 2011, 07:16:41 PM
Very sad news, strangely it was only last week that I thought about posting a message asking how he was as the last news I remember hearing about him was some time ago (at the time of the Ponty gigs?) when he'd had some sort of interview / conversation from his hospital bed.

Spoke to him a few times and he was always pleasant and approachable. I recall one gig The Breeze did about 20 years ago in Skewen Rugby Club (Micky was also there) and I asked him how he felt playing a smallish club after the larger venues he'd been previously playing at and he said he didn't care. he just enjoyed playing.
Great gig, but the Friday night regulars weren't so happy when they realised that there wouldn't be any bingo that night!
Title: Re: `Clive John RIP
Post by: rayman on August 24, 2011, 07:48:16 PM
Very sad to hear of clive's passing  a true gent , met Clive many a time and spent a rather boozy evening in his company! The Welsh music scene has lost  one of its greats..
R.I.P. CLINT and may the Great Knee shine on you  :-\....
Title: Re: `Clive John RIP
Post by: Jules on August 24, 2011, 07:57:39 PM
Can only add to the comments made above. For me Clive was much of the heart and humour of Man and very much a welcoming face in Swansea. Generous in spirit, and master of the surreal phone call. Without Clive, no beginning.
Title: Re: `Clive John RIP
Post by: Pete T on August 24, 2011, 08:02:42 PM
That's really bad news. Got a text from Gina in the middle of a Gaelic lesson..

my first album was BITF, so he helped forge my liking for the band, and it was only when I started getting the back catalogue that I realised what I had been missing out on. I didn't really know him, I'm ashamed to say, but I knew his music. The few times I've spoken to him, he came over as a real gent.

Thanks Clint.
Title: Re: `Clive John RIP
Post by: Martin Daughton on August 24, 2011, 08:22:07 PM
Well said everyone. Terrible news after the recent flurry of posts about Buzzard.
I was listening to the last 3 Bystanders singles only the other night as well...
South Wales has lost another original.
Title: Re: `Clive John RIP
Post by: Nick Nation on August 24, 2011, 09:34:21 PM
RIP Clint, a vital ingredient in the Man story.
Title: Re: `Clive John RIP
Post by: Rob W on August 24, 2011, 10:34:32 PM
Like Pete T, Gina texted me whilst I was driving on the m'way. I didn't read the text, could see who it was from, I daren't tell you what was going through my mind. When I stopped, and read the news, frankly it was to be expected, but doesn't soften the blow.

Clive, like MJ, and others, made me, a nothing, so welcome. I was so humbled. Last time I saw Clive, was when he appeared at MJ's funeral. Much better memories though, are the first time I met him at one of the early JBO Man gigs.  Clive appeared in the densely congregated room, I said (shouted!) to him. "I had a dream about you last night" (which I had). Can't remember precisely what he said, but in no uncertain terms questioned my parentage, questioned my sexuality,and I think told me to go forth and multiply, but not as politely. (In retrospect, I don't think he thought that last bit through   ;D )

We spoke about his cricket, I think he was treasurer of some cricket club, and we spoke at length when he was on the door of the Tawe Delta Blues Club.

Highlight of all my Man Xmas gigs, I'm afraid wasn't Man, but one Sat afternoon at the Adam & Eve, watching the Tremblin' Knees and Contraband. The place was jumping. Had to leave early for the Patti Man gig, half way through a song, but Clive gave us a cheery wave, shouted something, I forget what. Oakers may recall the events.

As Allan rightly says, as good as the music was, it was as much, if not more, the warmth and welcoming of the Clive's and MJ's which made everything so worthwhile.

x
         
Title: Re: `Clive John RIP
Post by: John Bannon on August 24, 2011, 10:50:28 PM
This is terrible news, everyday that goes past another part of my youth is no longer with us, its selfish of me to talk like that, I don't know how else to put it, Clive and early Man played such an important part of my life. The trials and tribulations of growing in S. Wales were helped by listening to Clive, Micky and the Manband, they literally were my hero's at the time and still are.
I put up a little dedication to Clive's 'You Always Know You Stand With a Buzzard' on the man forum just lately, this was from having the chance to listen to it in more depth on holiday this year, I rate it as a very good piece of music. I wished I could have listened to it more when it was released and told Clive how I enjoyed it when we met up at man re-union concerts.
I'm going to attach some photo's of Clive signed by him at the time, its not so much the photo's, but the statement he makes along side his signature, Always humorous.
For me as I said before it should have been Sir Clive John.... he's going to be sadly missed......
Title: Re: `Clive John RIP
Post by: Allan Heron on August 24, 2011, 10:58:09 PM
This is terrible news, everyday that goes past another part of my youth is no longer with us, its selfish of me to talk like that,

John - no shame in saying that which is only what many of us will be thinking as well.  We've spent our lives building up all the different things that make us what we are, and you feel that a bit of you has been hacked off as each person is taken from us that has contributed to that.    And just reminds us all in the most terrible fashion that we've just skipped that bit nearer the top of the queue ourselves.

Hopefully we'll all be able to raise a glass or two together in celebration of Clive come December.
Title: Re: `Clive John RIP
Post by: helena on August 24, 2011, 10:59:26 PM
Seems like it's all bad news on this forum these days. The end of an era does not even start to describe it. Very sad to hear this. At least in the music something lingers on....
Title: Re: `Clive John RIP
Post by: John Bannon on August 24, 2011, 11:32:40 PM
Like Pete T, Gina texted me whilst I was driving on the m'way. I didn't read the text, could see who it was from, I daren't tell you what was going through my mind. When I stopped, and read the news, frankly it was to be expected, but doesn't soften the blow.

Clive, like MJ, and others, made me, a nothing, so welcome. I was so humbled. Last time I saw Clive, was when he appeared at MJ's funeral. Much better memories though, are the first time I met him at one of the early JBO Man gigs.  Clive appeared in the densely congregated room, I said (shouted!) to him. "I had a dream about you last night" (which I had). Can't remember precisely what he said, but in no uncertain terms questioned my parentage, questioned my sexuality,and I think told me to go forth and multiply, but not as politely. (In retrospect, I don't think he thought that last bit through   ;D )

We spoke about his cricket, I think he was treasurer of some cricket club, and we spoke at length when he was on the door of the Tawe Delta Blues Club.

Highlight of all my Man Xmas gigs, I'm afraid wasn't Man, but one Sat afternoon at the Adam & Eve, watching the Tremblin' Knees and Contraband. The place was jumping. Had to leave early for the Patti Man gig, half way through a song, but Clive gave us a cheery wave, shouted something, I forget what. Oakers may recall the events.

As Allan rightly says, as good as the music was, it was as much, if not more, the warmth and welcoming of the Clive's and MJ's which made everything so worthwhile.

x
         
Rob you always spoke of those concerts with great affection and I used to think I'll join you one day and have a good old blow out to the 'Trembling Knees, Back then I was always left floundering around trying to find accommodation in the Swansea area, everything being last minute in my life at the time.
After the Patti Pavilion concerts and copious amounts of alcohol, I could have quite easily slept on a park bench, so should have saved myself a lot of bother. Thank You for poster of those days.
I guess after the news today we will never get to share those moments. 
Title: Re: `Clive John RIP
Post by: John Bannon on August 24, 2011, 11:37:50 PM
This is terrible news, everyday that goes past another part of my youth is no longer with us, its selfish of me to talk like that,

John - no shame in saying that which is only what many of us will be thinking as well.  We've spent our lives building up all the different things that make us what we are, and you feel that a bit of you has been hacked off as each person is taken from us that has contributed to that.    And just reminds us all in the most terrible fashion that we've just skipped that bit nearer the top of the queue ourselves.

Hopefully we'll all be able to raise a glass or two together in celebration of Clive come December.
Allan your so right, We will definitely raise a glass to those who mean something to us this December....I'm thinking I might be nearer the top of the queue you mentioned........
Title: Re: `Clive John RIP
Post by: Allan Heron on August 25, 2011, 01:10:37 AM
Allan your so right, We will definitely raise a glass to those who mean something to us this December....I'm thinking I might be nearer the top of the queue you mentioned........

The queue order is all fucked up and no one knows where they are on it.   Probably just as well that's the way it is.
Title: Re: `Clive John RIP
Post by: Rob W on August 25, 2011, 02:45:15 AM
Maybe in deference to Clive, we should all attend the 17 December gig wearing a pair of corduroys from the 70's. Sure he'd appreciate that    :D
Title: Re: `Clive John RIP
Post by: Ron Brain on August 25, 2011, 04:28:31 AM
a great man. had some good times hanging out with him...Knew he was ill. Not good news
Title: Re: `Clive John RIP
Post by: Brian on August 25, 2011, 07:08:22 AM
So sad, so sorry to hear.  I'm glad I got the chance to meet him in person a few years back (thank you Tony). 

Will be spinning You Always Know Where You Stand With A Buzzard, Be Good To Yourself At Least Once A Day and Do You Like It Here Now Are You Settling In quite a bit for a while.  I'll bet the long album titles were Clive's idea. 

May You Rest and Rock In Peace, Brother Clive.
Title: Re: `Clive John RIP
Post by: Terry on August 25, 2011, 08:45:48 AM
Another great loss to the music scene,Clive you will be missed as a musician & person.
Hold your ferret aloft with pride as you once told me.RIP
Title: Re: `Clive John RIP
Post by: Trevor Barstow on August 25, 2011, 10:52:38 AM
Another great loss to the music scene,Clive you will be missed as a musician & person.
Hold your ferret aloft with pride as you once told me.RIP
My sentiments precisely. Thank you Clive.
Title: Re: `Clive John RIP
Post by: Oakers on August 25, 2011, 11:30:07 AM
There will be a commemorative airing of 'Buzzard' for me too this evening.
Have to agree with Rob that that boozy afternoon-evening in the company of The Tremblin Knees and Contraband holds memories every bit as fond as the best of the Man gigs and indeed any other gig I've been to.
Don't recall what Clive's precise words were....just that he had time for anyone who wanted to chat and came across as a thoroughly decent bloke.
Sad news indeed.
Title: Re: `Clive John RIP
Post by: William Rait on August 25, 2011, 02:57:32 PM
This news and George's news  are the very reason why it is SO IMPORTANT that we be good to ourselves(and everyone else as well)at least once a day and that as long as we are able

we KEEP ON CRINTING. Thanks for the good music
Title: Re: `Clive John RIP
Post by: lloydie 2 on August 25, 2011, 05:46:38 PM
Very sad news indeed will raise a glass tonight at the Clan gig :'(
Title: Re: `Clive John RIP
Post by: Gavin Crumpton on August 25, 2011, 08:52:00 PM
2011 really has been a shit year in terms of deaths and serious ill-health both in the Manband family and further afield...
 
Clive was of course an important part of the Manband sound and story especially in the early years and for me of the original (1968-1976) Man albums the ones he appears on are more interesting and enjoyable than the ones made without him. Maybe not the main ingredient on those albums but an essential part of the overall mix nonetheless.
 
Always friendly and welcoming when you bumped in to him in Swansea. Maybe the best memory I have is filming the interview for GWP in his back garden. He was hilarious and trying not to laugh so it didnt spoil the sound recording was near impossible. His pride in particular that people were still interested in the songs he wrote and played on 40 years ago and his enthusiasm for the Man legacy and music in general were plain to see.
 
By way of tribute I've posted this video on Youtube today:

Edgar Broughton & Son of Man - Shit on the World

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFgQwQSvXq8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFgQwQSvXq8)

I think Clive would have enjoyed this version.
RIP
Title: Re: `Clive John RIP
Post by: Allan Heron on August 26, 2011, 12:38:47 AM
I do recall fondly the redoubtable Mr Heatley and his mobile making sure that Clive could be present in spirit if not in person ath Pontardawe.

Pride's a good description, Gav.  Critically, it wasn't a selfish pride but something more warm and encompassing.
Title: Re: `Clive John RIP
Post by: Gavin Crumpton on August 26, 2011, 01:02:09 PM
Pride's a good description, Gav.  Critically, it wasn't a selfish pride but something more warm and encompassing.

He was actually quite astonished and dumfounded that anyone, especially younger people like George and Josh would be interested in those songs. You can see it in the look on his face when he's talking about it on GWP1. He also made a point of saying his comments that he was pleased the band still thought the songs good enough to play were on behalf of the "older manband generation" clearly he thought any credit should be collective.
Title: Re: `Clive John RIP
Post by: Andrew P on August 27, 2011, 11:34:40 PM
I've just logged on to see what's been happening after a few days away and ... well, I'm raising a glass of red and I've lit a candle which is burning out on the patio. I knew Clive was ill but it's still a shock. Like others have already said, Clive was a gentleman, always welcoming of strangers and willing to chat. First encounters were down the Coach House cellar in the 1970s and 1980s watching the Tremblin' Knees, bottle of Newcastle Brown in hand, then  the wonderful Cardiff Arms gigs in the 1990s with Contraband; I treasure the 2 rolls of film I shot there one day in 1997. An amazing Knees gig in the Adam & Eve some years ago prior to a Man Xmas Party at the Patti, where you could barely raise your glass for the standing crush. At the Man Xmas gig at Sin City I managed to collar him for a signature on my copy of "To Live For To Die" which I think he said was his favourite album - he thought this was great, took out a pen and started to write, then Ace yelled at him to get on stage and play so he stopped and handed the CD back to me with apologies and went. I wish I knew what he was going to write, as all it says is "Long time" but I treasure it. Sad news, happy memories, happy trails Clive.
Title: Re: `Clive John RIP
Post by: Davey on August 28, 2011, 04:55:07 AM
...thank you for your music Clive...eternal peace to you...
Title: Re: `Clive John RIP
Post by: Michael Heatley on August 28, 2011, 11:16:13 AM
Clint's funeral will be @ 3.00 on Friday 2nd September at the Swansea Crematorium, Morriston (J47 of M4).

And afterwards at the Salisbury Club.

Will see any of you there that can make it.

Also, on lighter note, in answer to Allan's bet that no-one would use the Deke quote, see

http://www.classicrockmagazine.com/news/man-keyboard-player-passes-away/ (http://www.classicrockmagazine.com/news/man-keyboard-player-passes-away/)
Title: Re: `Clive John RIP
Post by: Mike Morgan on August 28, 2011, 12:04:05 PM
All, Swansea Crem is off junction 46, not 47.
For those of you not familiar with the area, the DVLA 16 story tower block is next to the crem so it's a bit difficult to miss.  After coming off the M4, head east on the A48 (prob S/P Morriston) and the turning is the first on the right after about 1/2 a mile.  The crem entrance is about 200 yards up the road, off a mini roundabout. The official link is below.


http://www.swansea.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=27428

The area is often subject to traffic congestion at that time on a Friday, with the many early starters in DVLA taking an early finish at 3:00.
Title: Re: `Clive John RIP
Post by: Michael Heatley on August 28, 2011, 05:05:02 PM
Tanks for the correction Mike - just checked and I got the rest of it right!  :o
Title: Re: `Clive John RIP
Post by: Martin Daughton on August 28, 2011, 05:33:25 PM
I can't get the time off work. They are really off about letting you take late shifts and Saturdays off unless they are part of a longer holiday and I have both this week. I will take my first break at 15:00 and play Out of my Tree on the iPod.
Title: Re: `Clive John RIP
Post by: Mike Morgan on August 28, 2011, 07:56:06 PM
No problem Michael -we wouldn't want to subject boarders to the joy of the roundabout on J47.

It's a bit like that one Chevvy Chase went around for days in a Lampoon film.  Not as much traffic, but one of those where the lane changes are shown by the studs in the floor and many drivers eventually just shut their eyes and go for it. 
Title: Re: `Clive John RIP
Post by: Andrew P on August 28, 2011, 08:43:30 PM
I will be there and, I hope, afterwards at the Salisbury. I'll almost certainly be driving so should be able to offer lifts if anyone needs them.
Title: Re: `Clive John RIP
Post by: Pete T on August 29, 2011, 12:24:17 AM
I will be there and, I hope, afterwards at the Salisbury. I'll almost certainly be driving so should be able to offer lifts if anyone needs them.

..Andrew, can you pick us up from Scourie?..
Title: Re: `Clive John RIP
Post by: celias on August 29, 2011, 11:03:48 AM
Here are a couple of newspaper clippings from my scrapbook compiled during my teenage years! So many,many years ago.

I only met Clive John on one or two occassions. Once at a Contraband gig at the Adam and Eve where he kindly signed a Contraband flyer for me adding  "and don't let your stoat get the goat"!

R.I.P. Clive
Title: Re: `Clive John RIP
Post by: Nick Nation on August 29, 2011, 11:37:18 AM
Here are a couple of newspaper clippings from my scrapbook compiled during my teenage years!

Nice one, Cee - I don't think I've ever seen the one bottom left - perhaps Mr P could tell me whether I've seen it or not, he's good at that sort of thing. I squinted as best I could, it appears to be written by 'Judy Garland' so perhaps the gig was at The Rainbow. (yes yes I know it was the Oval really)
Title: Re: `Clive John RIP
Post by: celias on August 29, 2011, 12:01:55 PM

Nice one, Cee - I squinted as best I could, it appears to be written by 'Judy Garland' so perhaps the gig was at The Rainbow. (yes yes I know it was the Oval really)

Thanks Nick and thanks for your help. First attempt at trying to get it to the right size and wording did not come out as well as I thought.  Seems clearer if you read it with one eye shut!!
Title: Re: `Clive John RIP
Post by: Andrew P on August 29, 2011, 02:08:38 PM
I will be there and, I hope, afterwards at the Salisbury. I'll almost certainly be driving so should be able to offer lifts if anyone needs them.

..Andrew, can you pick us up from Scourie?..

Well done, Pete, yes I did wonder if anyone would take it literally, and hats off to you for getting in first with the offer of a real overland trek.
Title: Re: `Clive John RIP
Post by: Iowerth Pritchard on August 29, 2011, 08:41:36 PM
Here are a couple of newspaper clippings from my scrapbook compiled during my teenage years!

Nice one, Cee - I don't think I've ever seen the one bottom left - perhaps Mr P could tell me whether I've seen it or not, he's good at that sort of thing. I squinted as best I could, it appears to be written by 'Judy Garland' so perhaps the gig was at The Rainbow. (yes yes I know it was the Oval really)

Well Mr N, I haven't seen the cutting on the bottom left before, but I have seen that photo of Clive in other Sounds features.  The 'John quits Man' cutting is from Sounds 10/3/73.  Sounds were very fond of this set of pics from the Oval (16/9/72) and were still using them in the early Eighties (in their 'Wax Fax' feature).  I think they were taken by David Redfern, and as I recall weren't you once in active pursuit of the rest of the film roll?

Having answered Mr N's query, here's one I'd like to pose.  Is Clive's real surname actually John?  In a 1965 Pylot Records promo sheet for the Bystanders all of the band have pseudonyms, except for Clive who apparently was using his real name.  Micky is 'Mike Martin', Ray is 'Ray Selby' etc. but Clive is 'Clive Morgan', and his real name is listed as Clive Stuart John Morgan.  Any theories anyone?
Title: Re: `Clive John RIP
Post by: Nick Nation on August 29, 2011, 08:54:10 PM
I have a theory, Mr P. It's Morgan. And Mr Redfern (here): http://www.davidredfern.com/images/vintage/ (http://www.davidredfern.com/images/vintage/) would need his palms crossed with a fair bit of silver, that's if he's still got the negatives....those photographer chappies seem to take a zillion shots of everything so there could be more. 
Title: Re: `Clive John RIP
Post by: Mike Morgan on August 30, 2011, 09:40:26 AM
Clint's obit from the S Wales E Post.  I think you'll need to paste it into your browser (apologies if that sounds as if I've gone a bit techy!).

http://www.thisisannouncements.co.uk/11219737?s_source=clsw_tiws_swep
Title: Re: `Clive John RIP
Post by: Michael Heatley on August 30, 2011, 10:01:12 AM
I queried him on the John/Morgan thing as I had believed him to be Morgan when I wrote the Bystanders 'Birth of Man' sleevenote. But he confirmed he was, as the death notice states, John.

Maybe a relation of the great Barry John?  ;)
Title: Re: `Clive John RIP
Post by: Nick Nation on August 30, 2011, 11:35:04 AM
Another one here, featuring Terry: http://www.thisissouthwales.co.uk/Tributes-flood-musical-giant-Clive-John/story-13206967-detail/story.html (http://www.thisissouthwales.co.uk/Tributes-flood-musical-giant-Clive-John/story-13206967-detail/story.html)
Title: Re: `Clive John RIP
Post by: Nick Nation on August 30, 2011, 12:29:49 PM
....and another one, albeit a reprint, here: http://usrockers.com/category/news/man-keyboard-player-passes-away (http://usrockers.com/category/news/man-keyboard-player-passes-away)

But he confirmed he was, as the death notice states, John.

I stand corrected (again). In fact I subsequently noticed in an interview with Jim Norrish in TWC issue 9 that Clint refers to "My Dad, Stuart John...."
Title: Re: `Clive John RIP
Post by: Mike Morgan on August 30, 2011, 12:32:04 PM
Nick,

thanks for the link.  It ws only when I read Taff's tribute that I remembered I'd seen Clint in Townhill Teachers Training College in about 76 supporting East of Eden.

He had a superb reception, so much so that EoE were thouroughly pissed off because during the band changeover and at least the early part of their set, the crowd were chanting for Clint.  They eventually said something along the lines of 'Clive John has gone home' which quietened the crowd.  Shortly afterwards Clive stuck his head through the curtain behind the band and it started all over again.

Great night, but I don't know how I forgot about it.  I've still got a flyer for the gig which was sponsored by Colt 45 - remeber that stuff anyone?
Title: Re: `Clive John RIP
Post by: Pete T on August 30, 2011, 04:10:10 PM
Maybe a relation of the great Barry John?  ;)

Gill's Aunt Edie in Penderyn had a neighbour Enid John.
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Post by: Andrew P on August 30, 2011, 04:11:46 PM
Not only Colt 45, but also Breaker, same stuff, some sort of yellow lager-like beverage made from malt liquor. Breaker used to sell by the gallon down the Gower Inn when I worked there in the hot summer of 1976, mainly to the passing tourists who got out of their trees on relatively small amounts.

Oh, and I think everyone in Wales (well Cefneithin at least) claims a blood line to Barry John ...
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Post by: Mike Morgan on August 30, 2011, 06:11:36 PM
passing tourists who got out of their trees on relatively small amounts.

Nice little Clintian reference there Andrew.

Apart from post Colt / Breaker carnage the only thing I can remember about them is that an advert had a recurring theme of a marching band, American football style, appearing out of nowhere and the other was an old lady asking a construction worker how to get to Carnegie Hall and he replied, Lady, you gotta practice.
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Post by: Michael Heatley on August 30, 2011, 07:38:43 PM
Having missed out when Man played Southampton I tuned up to see Clint & Co only to find they were no longer on the tour. Wonder what went on?
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Post by: Martin Daughton on August 30, 2011, 08:20:14 PM
Apart from post Colt / Breaker carnage the only thing I can remember about them is that an advert had a recurring theme of a marching band, American football style, appearing out of nowhere and the other was an old lady asking a construction worker how to get to Carnegie Hall and he replied, Lady, you gotta practice.

Any Tom, Jack or Walt
Who likes the taste of malt
Will like the malt in a Colt 45

Apologies for levity in a sombre thread but levity was food and drink to Clive and I'll be raising a glass of something infinitely better than Colt 45 on Friday in memoriam.
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Post by: Andrew P on August 30, 2011, 11:33:48 PM
passing tourists who got out of their trees on relatively small amounts.

Nice little Clintian reference there Andrew.



Mike - it was affectionately intentional and I'm pleased it was noticed. And Martin D is right about a little levity. The expanding piano maestro would approve I think.
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Post by: Mike Morgan on August 30, 2011, 11:54:12 PM
Personaly I don't think levity is out of place as long as it's not disrespectful and doesn't offend the family or close friends.

Most of the funerals I've been to have had the spirits of the closely bereaved lifted by the telling of a tale or more about the departed.  Mourning is an essential part of dealing with a loss, but levity brings back the good times.

With the greatest respect - let the good times (rock and) roll.

Title: Re: `Clive John RIP
Post by: Tim W on September 13, 2011, 11:03:15 PM
Just received the following email... thought it worth sharing:

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Sad to hear about my friend Clive John passing on.  He was a sweet man.  So generous, and such a talented musician.

I stayed at his Swansea home on Hanover Street in 1979 (when he shared it with Terry Williams & his family) and in 1983 when I took this photograph.  In the background you can spot the ferret poster I'd sent him (found for him in a Palo Alto, California book shop). 

I last spoke on the phone to him in the fall of 2009, right before seeing Man at the 100 Club.  His spirits and sense of humor were still there despite his illness.  We laughed about the old days and traded jokes about the Carl Reiner & Mel Brooks routine, The 2000 Year Old Man, which he dearly loved.  The highlights of my 1979 visit were seeing the Tremblin' Knees perform at the Coach House, travelling in a van through the Welsh valley with his his wacky burlesque comic band, Rolled Gold. beating him at billiards at the corner pub with my beginner's luck. In 1992 I went back & visited with my wife & then-toddler daughter.  He was so kind & gentle saying hello to her.  I shall never forget him.  The world is a sadder place without CJ. 

He was one of a kind.  I will miss him so much.  I have other photos as well, but this one captures the essence of Clint in his 97 Hanover Space.

Matt
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Post by: Nick Nation on September 14, 2011, 05:38:53 PM
Just received the following email... thought it worth sharing:

Yes, glad you did, Tim - and pass on our thanks to Matt.
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Post by: Mike Morgan on September 14, 2011, 11:34:36 PM
Echo  NIck's comments. 
I spoke to a funeral / service attendee the other day who said it was a great turn out and the Salisbury Club wake (which appears to have been actually held in the pub next door) was a great occasion with many friends / musos trading stories about Clint.
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Post by: Tim W on September 23, 2011, 08:20:53 PM
I posted a pic of Clive from Fast Max here  recently; he's now provided me with a few more and graciously allowed me to add them to the site.

Mainly Clint related, there's some excellent nostalgic stuff there which I think will be enjoyed by all.

Take a look... (http://www.manband.co.uk/gallery/fastmax.htm)
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Post by: Pete T on September 23, 2011, 08:41:35 PM
..thanks for those Tinn, the cars outside the whitbread pub look quite aged..
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Post by: Nick Nation on September 23, 2011, 08:41:41 PM
Thanks Tim and Max, enjoyed that.
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Post by: Michael Heatley on September 23, 2011, 10:50:25 PM
Agreed. Fantastic stuff.

Strangely I was plying Crintabulated on my computer today and heard Clive saying my name...now that was weird!
Title: Re: `Clive John RIP
Post by: Mike Morgan on September 23, 2011, 11:26:14 PM
Is it me or were there a few dodgy hair cuts amongst these great photos?
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Post by: Pete T on September 24, 2011, 01:44:02 AM
..it's you..
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Post by: Mike Morgan on September 24, 2011, 10:18:04 AM
That's ok then.  I shall get my loon pants and flared long sleeved T-shirts out of the wardrobe.

Just off to buysome crushed velvet trousers.
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Post by: Rob W on September 24, 2011, 10:35:34 AM
I used to have a custard coloured tank top with a red, yellow and green stripe going round it. 26" bottle green flares which I wore for school once and got done! Leather patent shoes and some stacks I recall. Love it. Horrendous!

Great photos by the way, Tim. Thank you. Like Mr T, noticed the cars, and could name them apart fom the nearest one, but will have another look.
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Post by: Andrew P on September 24, 2011, 12:17:02 PM
Superb pics, thanks Tim for putting them up. Brought back memories of the Coach House basement gigs; standing room only, bottle of Newkie Broon in hand, 50p on the door as I recall. Nice to see a chot of the outside as well, with the Carling sign artfully altered to look as though it says Coach Horse. All gone now.

I lived in Penmaen Terrace in the early 1980s so the shot of The Tenby is very familiar. To answer Rob W's post, I think the nearest car is a Renault TL but I could be wrong. That Mk1 Granada looks the dogs; pure Sweeney. Nice orange BL Mini as well.

Absolutely no idea how I managed to miss the Rockpile gig though.
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Post by: Brian on September 24, 2011, 04:55:20 PM
thanks for the pics Tim, a real "time capsule" from a bygone period that doesn't seem so long ago...
Title: Re: `Clive John RIP
Post by: Martin Daughton on September 24, 2011, 06:04:13 PM
That Mk1 Granada looks the dogs; pure Sweeney.

I was once told that the car in the Sweeney was in fact a Ford Corsair. 
Title: Re: `Clive John RIP
Post by: Tim W on September 24, 2011, 06:10:13 PM
OK, a bit of a bonus - some pics that didn't make it to the site as they veered ever so slightly off the topic. In Matt's own words -

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Rockpile show from Swansea's Top Rank, 1979.

Nick "Thunder' Gravenites & John "Lightning" Cipollina, in 1986 from the (now defunct) Chi Chi club on Broadway, San Francisco.

Clive loved Nick & John's music, especially "Monkey Medicine".  As I said, he dug the blue Gravenites T-shirt I gave him. 

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Post by: Michael Heatley on September 24, 2011, 07:14:54 PM
Nice. I still have the Lew Lewis badge from the Rockpile gig @ Hammy Palais.

That gig had the Specials as special guest act. Amazing gig all round.

Another support act I ever saw in that era was U2 supporting Talking Heads. Put in my diary - 'Like the Banshees fronted by a bloke.' Who knew?
Title: Re: `Clive John RIP
Post by: Martin Daughton on October 08, 2011, 05:59:01 PM
Excellent (though wee) obituary to Clive in Record Collector courtesy of Mr. Heatley.
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Post by: Dave Bardsley on October 09, 2011, 10:27:34 AM
Somewhat poignant pictures from July 2003 at the Patti featuring Micky, Clive and Snob.  RIP.
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Post by: Andrew P on October 09, 2011, 01:46:30 PM
Clint on the expanding piano! Brilliant! Many thanks indeed for sharing.
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Post by: BW on May 05, 2013, 09:38:38 PM
I've recently come across the Man Band website & was saddened to hear of Clive John & Micky Jones' passing. I was the Melody Maker photographer during the mid 60's to mid 70's. MM writer Roy Hollingsworth and I ran into the Man Band in Berlin at a gig with Yes, Soft Machine & Family. We were amazed at this band of wild Welsh men who were playing with such passion and pleasure that as soon as we got back to London Roy and I pestered the editor and the other writers about them & over the next few years the MM was there to cover many of their gigs usually in pubs and clubs or festivals around England There are lots of great memories and photos of the gigs we covered & the interviews for the MM. Here are a couple of 'snaps' of Clive 'Clint' from my 'family album'. The Man band may never have gained as much fame & recognition as they deserved but they were my favourite band ever live.

Barrie Wentzell ex MM photographer.

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Post by: Mike Morgan on May 05, 2013, 11:58:47 PM
Thanks Barry.  The 70's were a wonderful time for me as everything about music was new to me and each week reading Sounds / NME / MM and Disc & Music echo (remember that?) bought loads of new stuff to my attention.
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Post by: Rob W on May 06, 2013, 12:12:39 AM
I've recently come across the Man Band website & was saddened to hear of Clive John & Micky Jones' passing. I was the Melody Maker photographer during the mid 60's to mid 70's. MM writer Roy Hollingsworth and I ran into the Man Band in Berlin at a gig with Yes, Soft Machine & Family. We were amazed at this band of wild Welsh men who were playing with such passion and pleasure that as soon as we got back to London Roy and I pestered the editor and the other writers about them & over the next few years the MM was there to cover many of their gigs usually in pubs and clubs or festivals around England There are lots of great memories and photos of the gigs we covered & the interviews for the MM. Here are a couple of 'snaps' of Clive 'Clint' from my 'family album'. The Man band may never have gained as much fame & recognition as they deserved but they were my favourite band ever live.

Barrie Wentzell ex MM photographer.

That is a great post!
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Post by: Nick Nation on May 06, 2013, 08:25:22 AM
Thanks Barrie, was familiar with your work at the time - any more?!

There was quite a few from that pub session.

Note Spiv in background of 1st photo...
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Post by: George Jones on May 06, 2013, 10:46:58 AM
Wonderful :)
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Post by: Allan Heron on May 06, 2013, 11:27:01 AM
Thanks, Barrie.  Wonderful photos and always grand to find someone else who holds the Manband in the same regard as the rest of us.
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Post by: BW on May 07, 2013, 01:20:12 AM
Well, thanks to all for the response, here are a few more 'snaps' from Roy Hollingsworth's farewell 'lost weekend' party. Roy was off to New York to run The MM's USA edition but that's another story! I will have to delve into my archive 'vault' & see what's there of the Man Band photos, I see there are already some of mine in the photo galleries here. Perhaps someone would be kind enough to tell me whom I can contact here so I can add to the Liberty U.A. Record years gallery? It will take some time for me to get the pics done as there are so many from these photo shoots, but I will add them to my website gallery in time, as I've just done the Hawkwind pics which was a lotta work.

Thanks to all for the interest & good to know the Man Band continues on to this day, best of cheer, BW

www.barriewentzell.com
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Post by: rockprof on May 07, 2013, 02:17:52 AM
That deserves an applaud...especially as two of the protagonists in the last shot appear to be using mobile phones....
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Post by: Nick Nation on May 07, 2013, 08:41:41 AM
Wow! Some I haven't seen before, takes some doing...Mr Pritchard, have I seen all these?

Perhaps someone would be kind enough to tell me whom I can contact here so I can add to the Liberty U.A. Record years gallery?

That'll be Jules, so wise and kind. Like us he's probably still coo-ing over the pictures. Can be contacted by sending a message, unless he gets to you first. 

....good to know the Man Band continues on to this day....


Ahhh....moot point....
Title: Re: `Clive John RIP
Post by: Rob W on May 07, 2013, 11:00:44 AM
That deserves an applaud...especially as two of the protagonists in the last shot appear to be using mobile phones....

Brilliant!!! 
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Post by: William Rait on May 07, 2013, 11:03:13 AM
Pure Magic  :) got any more??
Title: Re: `Clive John RIP
Post by: Nick Nation on May 07, 2013, 12:57:47 PM
Barrie - is there a date for these pictures?

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Post by: celias on May 07, 2013, 01:51:38 PM
Wonderful pics.  Thankyou Barrie
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Post by: halfamix on May 07, 2013, 05:21:12 PM
WOW what great pics, especially nice to see Viv Stanshall aswell and he looks fairly sober!  :)
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Post by: Martin Daughton on May 08, 2013, 09:03:04 AM
Fabulous stuff.
Please post your web gallery address Barrie - I would love to see your Hawkwind shots as well!
Title: Re: `Clive John RIP
Post by: Iowerth Pritchard on May 09, 2013, 09:33:12 PM
Wow! Some I haven't seen before, takes some doing...Mr Pritchard, have I seen all these?


Well Mr N. I don't think you've seen the 'Clive John Caucasian Knee Dancing' and 'A singalong outside my flat in Soho' shots.  The others were in that batch of photos you sent me around 18 months ago, you know the ones I wasn't supposed to tell anyone about... oops...

Great shots though and would  love to see more, so keep 'em coming Barrie, and many thanks.