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Title: Leamington Spa
Post by: Pete Clarkson on September 15, 2011, 11:51:11 AM
Anyone planning to go to Leamington Spa on 1st Oct?
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Peter Steventon on September 15, 2011, 12:26:28 PM
I cant make it but will be there on the 17th Dec. to see George, has anyone any more info on the Dec. gig?
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Post by: lloydie 2 on September 15, 2011, 01:03:24 PM
No Pete we have a band on at the football club that day

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Post by: Allan Heron on September 15, 2011, 01:36:21 PM
David Crosby and Graham Nash in Glasgow on the same evening.
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Post by: Rob W on September 15, 2011, 03:33:20 PM
No to 1st October, and I wonder if the misfitting Youatt's will be there on 17th Dec.    ::) with a light bulb on top
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Post by: Jules on September 15, 2011, 06:27:10 PM
I hope to be there.
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Post by: Davey on September 15, 2011, 06:44:08 PM
I would like to go but cant afford it at present.but my financial situation will be better by dec. i have a friend named Carolina who i have lent Rhinos.winos.and luantics(the book).shes taken to it and wants to come to the dec concert too.as soon as we get the specs we are making moves...hey is this the gig that Deke is sitting in on? and isn't his new tome due out on the 1st? if the book is available at the gig thats a chance for a hot off the press auto graphed copy!  if i was in the area i would be there;to check out the scene and the music, ...i hope someone who is there can report back-peace;cheers
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: George Jones on September 15, 2011, 07:19:20 PM
Details of the December gig will be announced soon, I've had to change the venue last minute, the date will stay the same.  We've got a great line-up of artists to play.

The gig will also be offering some support to the MS Society and the SD Brain Tumour Trust.
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Pete T on September 15, 2011, 07:45:36 PM
..I won't be going, but hope to be there on 17th..
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Post by: Allan Heron on September 15, 2011, 09:43:18 PM
No to 1st October, and I wonder if the misfitting Youatt's will be there on 17th Dec.    ::) with a light bulb on top

Rob - I've just heard that this band are one of the supporting features on the 17th December

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSNSTerj2Kc&feature=fvwrel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSNSTerj2Kc&feature=fvwrel)
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Rob W on September 15, 2011, 10:29:52 PM
Allan, if you knew the sh*t I'm going through at the moment, but you know, I smiled all the way through that.

Face 7/10, legs 10/10, bum 10/10, every other part of the body I daren't mention here, 10/10, voice when she does the 'altogether now' coupled with everything else, one million out of 10. Dont think I need the 'whatever colour her hair is' tonight.  :o
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Michael Heatley on September 15, 2011, 11:33:27 PM
Er, nice...Jazz Bass!
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: buster on September 17, 2011, 11:08:20 AM
I was in Leamington yesterday so picked up a couple of tickets - I know but I wanted to see the Duke again....

If you are going be warned that the gig has to finish by 2200 - hence the doors opening at 1800. The guy on the desk said they run a club from 2200 till early hours so the gig has to be finished by then. He said I was welcome to stay but I politely declined as it was way past my bedtime.

Regards, Buster.
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Tim W on September 17, 2011, 11:18:49 AM
I was in Leamington yesterday so picked up a couple of tickets - I know but I wanted to see the Duke again....

If you are going be warned that the gig has to finish by 2200 - hence the doors opening at 1800. The guy on the desk said they run a club from 2200 till early hours so the gig has to be finished by then. He said I was welcome to stay but I politely declined as it was way past my bedtime.

Regards, Buster.

The spirit of the Kite Club lives on.
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Pete T on September 17, 2011, 11:43:49 AM
I was in Leamington yesterday so picked up a couple of tickets - I know but I wanted to see the Duke again....

..numbers 1 & 2 ?..
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: joan on September 17, 2011, 11:49:57 AM
Just received this info from Martin Ace' Facebook:

MAN
1 october 2011
The Assembly Leamington Spa
Special Guest for this evening, DEKE LEONARD
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Post by: Nick Nation on September 17, 2011, 11:53:39 AM
I was in Leamington yesterday so picked up a couple of tickets - I know but I wanted to see the Duke again....

Understandable, Mr B. For more info, see here: http://www.thedukeleamington.co.uk/ (http://www.thedukeleamington.co.uk/)
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Post by: Peter Steventon on September 17, 2011, 01:04:53 PM
Just looked at the Assembly´s site, 16 quid a ticket and a 2 quid booking fee.
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Post by: Akeno-Pool on September 17, 2011, 02:18:19 PM
Wife and I will be rolling along to Leamington.
Buster - as you have been, do you know if they sell tickets on the door?

Any news on location for 17th Dec?
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Post by: Lynsey Fookin Buckenham on September 17, 2011, 04:41:04 PM
Buster - as you have been, do you know if they sell tickets on the door?

Oi suggest yew get in earrrrrrly, boy - they moight have sold owt!
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Pete Clarkson on September 17, 2011, 05:06:05 PM
Hi. I called the Assemby box office yesterday and they very helpfully advised that there would be no problem in purchasing a ticket on the door. Indeed, they advised that this was the best thing to do as that would mean avoiding any booking fees.
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: joan on September 17, 2011, 05:14:26 PM
About this new Man + Deke
don't you find it strange to have Martin, Deke and Phil together again?
I wonder how it will be like, what songs will they play, etc.
Any idea about why Deke has accepted to join them?
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Pete Clarkson on September 17, 2011, 05:36:57 PM
Perhaps he thinks that life is too short to harbour resentment....
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Pete T on September 17, 2011, 07:16:27 PM
..didn't the original description state he would only guest on a couple of songs?..
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: joan on September 17, 2011, 08:35:43 PM
I can only see this description in my FB profile.
Nice to see some of the public: Dave Charles, Caromay Dixon,...
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Greasy Trucker on September 18, 2011, 10:44:56 PM
The two musical links on the fb page show promise even if Ace has got the year wrong.....
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Jules on September 19, 2011, 12:50:40 AM
Nice to see some of the public: Dave Charles, Caromay Dixon,...
Only time I've ever come first in anything  :)
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Jules on September 19, 2011, 12:53:39 AM
..didn't the original description state he would only guest on a couple of songs?..
Still the case I believe, although "a couple" could be a flexible number I imagine.
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Colin Jouxson on September 19, 2011, 01:49:38 PM
October 1st  (no) ... December 17th (YES) 8) Already booked up a hotel near by for the lads and myself :-* and then straight up for Deke's show on the 18th ;D ...
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Allan Heron on September 19, 2011, 02:43:00 PM
What's the details of Deke's show on the 18th?
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Colin Jouxson on September 19, 2011, 03:12:00 PM
AFAIK Allan,it is another bash at the usual club in Neath. I spoke to DL in person a few weeks back,and was informed about the show.
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Colin Jouxson on September 19, 2011, 03:30:41 PM
If anyone is looking for a hotel for Saturday 17th Dec,there is a decent "premier inn" just 1 mile from the venue, 15 minute walk,4 to 5 minutes by car. Booked two twin rooms here for the four of us,worked out at £59 per room ( £29.50 each) which is pretty much a bargain for a Saturday night round those parts,breakfast is optional and extra. This is the cheapest price at the moment,but it will certainly become more expensive toward the date,so book early ;)

http://www.premierinn.com/en/hotel/SWABRE/swansea-north
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Pete T on September 19, 2011, 04:06:02 PM
Booked, thanks CJ..
..got it for £19 for a double..
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Colin Jouxson on September 19, 2011, 04:07:34 PM
Booked, thanks CJ..
..got it for £19 for a double..

Nice one Pete,a bargain 8)
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Pete T on September 19, 2011, 04:19:39 PM
(non-refundable if I cancel)
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Michael Heatley on September 19, 2011, 05:37:42 PM
Allan

Iceberg will be doing a date or two around George's show including the traditional Xmas show at Neath Legion on the afternoon of Sunday 18th.

ALSO!!!

I have just been speaking with Deke and asked him how many numbers he was doing with Man.

He reeled them off...14! So that'll be the whole set then. ;D

Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Allan Heron on September 19, 2011, 05:53:13 PM
Allan

Iceberg will be doing a date or two around George's show including the traditional Xmas show at Neath Legion on the afternoon of Sunday 18th.

ALSO!!!

I have just been speaking with Deke and asked him how many numbers he was doing with Man.

He reeled them off...14! So that'll be the whole set then. ;D

14?   That's about three gigs worth.
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Michael Heatley on September 19, 2011, 05:55:51 PM
Apparently Jive Bunny couldn't make it  :-X
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Rob W on September 19, 2011, 05:56:18 PM
Pete T will be disappointed, nay devastated, double nay suicidal, to learn that I too have booked the same place as well. £19 non refundable plus that 30p thingy. On the day, will probably go for the continental breakfast, but I'm keeping my options open. Maybe Mr T will smuggle in a few eggs. And a pig.

Martin & JB. If we're sharing the car o plane 3 wheeler..... ??

Davey, will we see you ?

   
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Colin Jouxson on September 19, 2011, 05:59:45 PM
Our price "includes" a cancellation option if needed up to the day of the show :o :) :-*
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: helena on September 19, 2011, 07:51:45 PM



Iceberg will be doing a date or two around George's show including the traditional Xmas show at Neath Legion on the afternoon of Sunday 18th.

ALSO!!!

I have just been speaking with Deke and asked him how many numbers he was doing with Man.

He reeled them off...14! So that'll be the whole set then. ;D

Hm ..... suddenly looking like a trek to Leamington could be interesting.

Re Iceberg - don't suppose there's any chance of the "date or two" including something a bit nearer London than Neath?? Michael?



Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: joan on September 19, 2011, 08:01:09 PM
Hope someone can record a song of the Man concert. I think it will be a one-time line-up.
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Rob W on September 19, 2011, 08:45:37 PM
Our price "includes" a cancellation option if needed up to the day of the show :o :) :-*

Hey smart a&se.  ;D   In fact I thought you must have been AH, cos he's the clever git.*

Refundable option was about £62 I think. Jeez, the last time I saw £62..............

*  That's not to say you're not a clever git. No sirrrreeee

tw*t    :o

 
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Allan Heron on September 19, 2011, 09:26:47 PM
Booked in for Martin and myself - hard to beat at £19.    A late return north might be in order as well to accomodate the Neath gig.

May have to (cough, cough) work from home on the Monday!
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Colin Jouxson on September 19, 2011, 09:35:19 PM
Our price "includes" a cancellation option if needed up to the day of the show :o :) :-*

Hey smart a&se.  ;D   In fact I thought you must have been AH, cos he's the clever git.*

Refundable option was about £62 I think. Jeez, the last time I saw £62..............

*  That's not to say you're not a clever git. No sirrrreeee

tw*t    :o

 ;D ;D  .....   I am still doing HTU maths Rob :-[ dull as an effing brush.... ;)  be good to see all you guys again,should be a rather grand weekend :-* 8)
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Pete T on September 19, 2011, 09:47:07 PM
Bugger, missing Iceberg, can't fit it all in..
Sunday night, Dumbarton Travel Lodge, £15 for that one.. No wonder Youth Hostels are closing down..
monday Xmas shopping in Fort William, or Inverness, then home for crissy..
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Rob W on September 19, 2011, 10:39:38 PM
Bugger, missing Iceberg, can't fit it all in..
Sunday night, Dumbarton Travel Lodge, £15 for that one.. No wonder Youth Hostels are closing down..
monday Xmas shopping in Fort William, or Inverness, then home for crissy..

Oh dear. I was expecting your post to say something like... 'no Woolfey. I can't wait to see you. Really looking forward to it. You're a top fella'.

Not to mention, 'and forget about any pints of beer you owe me. All forgotten. In fact drink what you want, it's all on me'.

Maybe you're in the middle of writing it, now.   

 :-*
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Mike Morgan on September 19, 2011, 11:57:29 PM
'Afternoon' in Neath.  Haven't been able to get to it over the years - anyone, what time(ish) does 'afternoon' generally mean?
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Pete T on September 20, 2011, 12:22:48 AM
..and now he wants to scrounge some bloody eggs.. :'(
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Post by: lloydie 2 on September 20, 2011, 10:10:14 AM
whats the venue for the Dec 17th gig?
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Allan Heron on September 20, 2011, 11:15:32 AM
Understand it to be at "The Club" in Morriston
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Post by: lloydie 2 on September 20, 2011, 02:35:45 PM
thats the one were we went to see Iceberg last time I think.Can stay in the red lion again :)
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Post by: Allan Heron on September 20, 2011, 03:55:34 PM
All right  - don't come and stay with us then  :'(

The party's in Rob's room after the gig!

Would be nice if there was a restuarant open till all hours like there was in Pontardawe.   Any ideas?
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Post by: lloydie 2 on September 20, 2011, 05:29:25 PM
ok I remember the Premier inn will stay there instead.We have Colwyn Bay FC Christmas Party on the Friday with Del Bromham & Stray should be a helluva weekend :)
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Rob W on September 20, 2011, 06:18:17 PM
ok I remember the Premier inn will stay there instead.We have Colwyn Bay FC Christmas Party on the Friday with Del Bromham & Stray should be a helluva weekend :)

Can I come to your party? I probably know more of your team than you do  :)
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Rob W on September 20, 2011, 06:19:17 PM
..and now he wants to scrounge some bloody eggs.. :'(


Shhhhh everybody. He forgot I also asked for the pig.  ;D
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Rob W on September 20, 2011, 06:23:41 PM
All right  - don't come and stay with us then  :'(

The party's in Rob's room after the gig!
Would be nice if there was a restuarant open till all hours like there was in Pontardawe.   Any ideas?

That's ok. I'll be putting up a reet big brick wall just outside your room so that you feel at home.


I'm feeling about this gig, the same as I felt about the first of the Xmas gigs we  met at all those years ago. I'm dead excited

bounce bounce boing boing emoticon thingy

 
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Mike Morgan on September 20, 2011, 06:32:48 PM
The Red Lion closed down but has recently re-opened under the same name as a Wetherspoons.

If The Club is confirmed I'm quite happy to make some enquiries re restaurants in Morriston.  There are some but I have no idea if they're any good.
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Post by: Stevie Nicks on September 20, 2011, 06:45:53 PM
I'll be putting up a reet big brick

aye, canny. oh sorry, misheard.
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Pete T on September 20, 2011, 07:16:21 PM
The Red Lion closed down..

Penderyn?
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Post by: Martin Daughton on September 20, 2011, 08:26:51 PM
Rob
One of us will have to ring JB but I'm up for it...
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Mike Morgan on September 20, 2011, 11:14:33 PM
The Red Lion closed down..

Penderyn?


Dic?
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Rob W on September 20, 2011, 11:44:55 PM
Rob
One of us will have to ring JB but I'm up for it...
     

Bit harsh Mr D. John's not that bad.  :)

Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Pete T on September 21, 2011, 12:02:47 AM
The Red Lion closed down..

Penderyn?


Dic?

Gills granny used to run the Red Lion pub in Penderyn. Penderyn is now the home of Welsh Whiskey (spelt with an "e" cos it's not Scottish..) Great pub on the A4059 N of Hirwaun.. Well actually, it's tucked away on a back road.. Great selection of real ales, worth a trip..
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Post by: lloydie 2 on September 21, 2011, 01:10:52 PM
of course you can Rob W.Mind you the players are in disgrace after a home 6 1 tonking by Altringham last night
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Rob W on September 21, 2011, 02:15:54 PM
of course you can Rob W.Mind you the players are in disgrace after a home 6 1 tonking by Altringham last night

Yes, lloydie 2, I'd noticed that. I wondered if it was some cup match when the reserves are played.  Not good.

Mind you, I've been to a night match away at WHU to see a 0-10 tonking. Doesn't get much worse than that. 
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Pete T on September 21, 2011, 03:03:28 PM
0-11?
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Rob W on September 21, 2011, 03:49:01 PM
0-11?

If you're a Margate fan, yes.

Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Allan Heron on September 21, 2011, 05:12:09 PM
But 9 out of 10 people can't tell the difference between Margate and Bury  8)
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Rob W on September 21, 2011, 05:43:46 PM
Who's just blummin' well smited me?


Again!



And why?



Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Allan Heron on September 21, 2011, 05:58:09 PM
Who's just blummin' well smited me?


Again!



And why?

There, I've balanced it up again for you.    Chill.................
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Martin Daughton on September 21, 2011, 07:43:52 PM
Rob
One of us will have to ring JB but I'm up for it...
     

Bit harsh Mr D. John's not that bad.  :)

He may still be in Kefalonia.
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Rob W on September 21, 2011, 07:46:55 PM
Correct, Martin. The point being?   




We're gonna rob his gaffe     ;D


(And Allan, I can chill now. I do lose sleep over these smite things).  :-*   
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: sonic_hawk on September 23, 2011, 02:11:41 AM
Who's just blummin' well smited me?

I once got neg-repped on a forum, and the guy PM'd me, and apologised for having caught me in the cross-fire. Apparently, I was collateral damage and he'd been intending to smite someone else!

Bleu en bleu, as the military guys say. Anyway, it was nice of him to volunteer the info.
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Rob W on September 23, 2011, 10:08:50 AM
Who's just blummin' well smited me?

I once got neg-repped on a forum, and the guy PM'd me, and apologised for having caught me in the cross-fire. Apparently, I was collateral damage and he'd been intending to smite someone else!

Bleu en bleu, as the military guys say. Anyway, it was nice of him to volunteer the info.

Bet he didnt PM you 246 blummin' times......       ;D
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Pete T on September 23, 2011, 11:15:34 AM
Bet he didnt PM you 246 blummin' times......       ;D

247.. ;D
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Rob W on September 23, 2011, 12:02:26 PM

247.. ;D

Did I ever tell you................  I met Mike Read      ::)


Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Pete T on September 23, 2011, 02:19:53 PM
Did I ever tell you................  I met Mike Read      ::)

I saw my brother, mike, read..
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Rob W on September 23, 2011, 02:39:49 PM
Did I ever tell you................  I met Mike Read      ::)

I saw my brother, mike, read..

Does he go out? I don't.
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Akeno-Pool on September 27, 2011, 08:23:48 PM
Thanks for replies re tickets on the door for Leamington.
Should be interesting to see Martin and Deke together again.

If anyone wants to say hi I'm the fat bald fella with my diminutive Japanese wife.
If not hope to say hi to some of you on Dec 17th.
Bizarrely, met a massive Man fan at a recent Nick Lowe gig.  A Japanese mechanic who didnt speak a word of English, :-\ but knew the lyrics of every song I fired at him - even Map of India.

Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Akeno-Pool on September 27, 2011, 08:53:24 PM
October 1st  (no) ... December 17th (YES) 8) Already booked up a hotel near by for the lads and myself :-* and then straight up for Deke's show on the 18th ;D ...
Sorry to be thick, but a search of this site, the calender, the interweb has drawn a blank for details of Dec 17th.
Could someone point me in the right direction.
Swansea Premier Inn is now 62 flaming quid!
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Michael Heatley on September 27, 2011, 09:10:24 PM
George will be announcing via this site very soon!
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Mike Morgan on September 27, 2011, 11:37:05 PM
October 1st  (no) ... December 17th (YES) 8) Already booked up a hotel near by for the lads and myself :-* and then straight up for Deke's show on the 18th ;D ...
Sorry to be thick, but a search of this site, the calender, the interweb has drawn a blank for details of Dec 17th.
Could someone point me in the right direction.
Swansea Premier Inn is now 62 flaming quid!

I guess the Premier Inn has  a limited number of rooms at a cheapie price.  Some of the boarders may be able to offer a view on the Oystermouth Road options ( 5 / 10 minutes away from Swansea City centre).  That date is one of the two 'black Fridays/weekends' so I s'pose everyone is putting their prices up.
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Akeno-Pool on September 28, 2011, 12:11:50 AM
Thanks Michael and Mike M.
Ibis Swansea has a deal at £43 but its 4 miles from The Club. (about 40 beer miles for me!)
Thanks for the heads up on Oystermouth Road - off to surf for a deal now.

Pontadawe was much easier!
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Pete T on September 28, 2011, 01:10:10 AM
..Don't sytart talking bloody beer nniles, I've got a few to cover before nny best nnate, Rob W, buys nne one.. (I've only nnet hinn once, honest..)
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Michael Heatley on September 28, 2011, 06:50:10 PM
Pete - don't know how to say this but you're inconsonant!
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Rob W on September 28, 2011, 07:05:08 PM
Not only is he inconsonant, he's also a first rate tw*t    ;D    ;D


And AP, the historic home(s) to members of this Message Board when visiting Wales, is Oystermouth Road and its Guest Houses. I think we've all got tales to tell about some of the places we've stayed.

In fact, I'm feeling a bit of a phoney staying at some posh hotel (even though it's only £19 + brekky).    8)



Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Pete T on September 28, 2011, 08:43:53 PM
Pete - don't know how to say this but you're inconsonant!

I didn't think I was having problenns with nny P's

In fact, I'm feeling a bit of a phoney staying at some posh hotel (even though it's only £19 + brekky).    8)

"Prennier Inn" and "Posh" in the sanne sentence? I suppose if it's good enough for Lenny (that's 2 n's, not an nn!!)
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Rob W on September 28, 2011, 09:22:02 PM

"Prennier Inn" and "Posh" in the sanne sentence? I suppose if it's good enough for Lenny (that's 2 n's, not an nn!!)

Hey Pete, the Premier Inn and posh do go together when compared to some of the places I've stayed at on the Oystermouth Rd. From the very first stay at the inaugural JBO, when the landlady answered the door to me and immediately said I won't be getting breakfast the following morning because they've just had a break in, (I bartered the price down, and had my brekky at the service station on the M4), to the most recent stay, when both John B and me were put off our breakfast by the sound of the chef (sic, very sic) coughing his guts up, to the chef coming in to the dining area (more sic) and I think we could see his guts all over him).....

And thanks for not taking offence at my post above. TBH, I thought you may take it wrong. You know I love you  :-* 
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Rob W on September 28, 2011, 09:22:38 PM
Tw*t


 ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: akko on September 28, 2011, 11:39:51 PM
          I saw the current Manband supporting Hawkwind at the same venue a couple of years ago, and I must admit they weren't that bad.Tonight though,I've listened to 15 minutes worth of Kingdom Of Noise on itunes and I've made my mind up.I'll save my money and go and see Caravan the following week!
          For all of you who do go.I hope they rock the place, but if they play "Chuffin' like a muffin",feel free to haul their asses off stage and throw them in the river outside.
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Jules on September 28, 2011, 11:47:34 PM
Yep. "Chuffin" isn't ever likely to feature in my top ten Man songs list. "Miss Cathy" neither.
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Rob W on September 28, 2011, 11:53:59 PM
And playing devil's whatever it is devil's play, neither would 'Country Girl' feature in my top 10......
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Michael Heatley on September 28, 2011, 11:57:10 PM
But Visionaries is in mine.... :o
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: akko on September 29, 2011, 12:58:59 AM
 4 day Louise for me.In at No 10 pop pickers!
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: buster on September 29, 2011, 01:11:09 PM
For what it's worth when I picked up my tickets last week they are numbered 45 & 46...
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: lloydie 2 on September 29, 2011, 01:15:49 PM
thats promising Buster.Is Rhys Mwyn still involved with bookings?
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Nick Nation on September 29, 2011, 01:52:53 PM
Bad news, I'm afraid - Carlos Tevez has refused to play at Leamington. Speaking through his translator, he explained 'there is misunderstanding. they tell me they progressive band. they tell me they progressing. so why they drop new material? why I have to learn 40 year old song? i need to be near my family in upper llanoleum'.

Former manager Barry Martian called it 'an absolute disgrace', adding that if it had happened in his day, Tevez would have been banished to Gateshead. He added 'those people who thought the 'Welcome to Man' banner was funny must be feeling pretty silly now'.
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Post by: lloydie 2 on September 29, 2011, 05:35:00 PM
well done Nick  :)
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Stevie Nicks on September 29, 2011, 07:14:46 PM
.....if it had happened in his day, Tevez would have been banished to Gateshead.

hadaway an shite. divent start. gateshead has a lot ter offer, kirk at less than half a crown, rising unemployment, dreams unwind an that.   
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Lynsey Fookin Buckenham on September 29, 2011, 07:24:03 PM
Bad news, I'm afraid - Carlos Tevez has refused to play at Leamington.

Blaaaast, boy...tell yew what...Oi'll do it! Oi could do the whole of 'Kingdom Of Boys' on moi head!
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Akeno-Pool on September 30, 2011, 08:36:40 PM
Not only is he inconsonant, he's also a first rate tw*t    ;D    ;D


And AP, the historic home(s) to members of this Message Board when visiting Wales, is Oystermouth Road and its Guest Houses. I think we've all got tales to tell about some of the places we've stayed.

In fact, I'm feeling a bit of a phoney staying at some posh hotel (even though it's only £19 + brekky).    8)

I'm looking forward to joining the Oystermouth initiation.
I hope we may be accepted into the chosen few.
We normally stay in Neath and drive/taxi!

Rattle your jewellery when you arrive from the PREMIER Inn, so we know who you are!
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Michael Heatley on October 01, 2011, 09:40:38 PM
One hour into the show and it's fab!!! ;D
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Gavin Crumpton on October 01, 2011, 09:53:15 PM
One hour into the show and it's fab!!! ;D
Fantastic, it was the best thing the band ever did sacking Bob and George and getting the indie kids in wasnt it?

Really looking forward to the inevitable glowing reviews from you, Jules and Tim. (aka the Martin Ace propaganda machine).

Lets face it just how bad would it have to get before any of you would say anything negative about your best mates?

PS
How many people are there in that 800 capacity venue Michael?
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Campbell on October 01, 2011, 10:46:31 PM
It's only Rock n roll music Gav,you either like it or you don't.I live in the east of France,where Man have never toured.Would I go and see them of course.Would I go and see George and Bob if they played here.Definitely.
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Pete T on October 01, 2011, 11:12:13 PM
How many people are there in that 800 capacity venue Michael?

..at least two less than there would have been Gav. You and me..
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Gavin Crumpton on October 01, 2011, 11:21:42 PM
It's only Rock n roll music Gav,you either like it or you don't.I live in the east of France,where Man have never toured.Would I go and see them of course.Would I go and see George and Bob if they played here.Definitely.
I know it is Cambell. I'm just amusing myself. Y'know rattle the cage and the monkeys come to life. And this lot never disapoint!  I'm just amazed they havent worked it out yet its been 3 years after all. I know if sounds bad but then they're playing a rather silly game too. And they do deserve it believe me they do.

Rattle the cage and watch em go...

chuffin' chuffin' chuffin' chuffin' like a kangaroo behind a popemobile
Cant get those catchy tunes outta my head.

How many novelty songs are being played tonight Michael? Or has Martin final realised what the rest of the world has known for years?

...I always thought the jumpin' muffin was protected...theres another great one.

Oh well I've given the game away, but I'm getting a bit bored with it all now any way.

Nos Da as they say in Shropshire.

Until the next European tour anyway.

Glowing, although ever so slightly biased, gig reviews to appear below shortly:

Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Gavin Crumpton on October 01, 2011, 11:32:59 PM
How many people are there in that 800 capacity venue Michael?

..at least two less than there would have been Gav. You and me..
Well quite I would have gone but I was washing my newly cut hair tonight.

Do you ever get the feeling in a parallel universe a Jones-Leonard-Richards-Ryan-Ace line up are playing right now? Maybe we would have even tolerated a novelty song or too for that and the usual bum bass notes. Well we always did in the past didn't we? Or have I been watching too much Dr Who. Couldnt get my head around tonights episode couldnt tell whether he's dead or still alive at the end. And why cant he magically regenerate like Ace does with the Manband? Oh well at least Im not at Leamington tonight.

See you on 17th Dec, just booked my hotel. Think I may have to watch my back after the last few days!

Must try and drink less on Saturday nights Im rambling more than Lindsey Fooking Buckingham tonight.  Although not on the 17th obviously.
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Mike Morgan on October 02, 2011, 12:10:55 AM
Gavin, I think it was Zep who said ' ramble on'.  Go for it and maybe I'll see you on the 17th which is also a Saturday and means you can have a drink. 
Still unsure about out how to spell 'Barber'.  Local bloke calls himself 'Hair by David; hairdresser to gentlemen and their sons'.  Known locally as Dai the barber.

Anyone got any plans for a pre gig pint or is it straight to The Club?
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Pete T on October 02, 2011, 12:16:48 AM
Anyone got any plans for a pre gig pint or is it straight to The Club?

You're the local, reconnnnend sonnething.. Real al of course, Rvd Jannes last tinne in the Pink Geraniunn, at Ponty..
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Mike Morgan on October 02, 2011, 12:31:10 AM
Pete.
Red Lion.  less than 5 minutes walk to The Club.  Wetherspoons now, £2.10 a pint for real ale when I was there a week ago.

Ale will of course vary by the day,but Morriston isn't renowned for the quality of its pubs / clientele (very carefully chosen words there).  Red Lion has a good reputation.
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Gavin Crumpton on October 02, 2011, 12:36:03 AM
Gavin, I think it was Zep who said ' ramble on'.  Go for it and maybe I'll see you on the 17th which is also a Saturday and means you can have a drink. 
Still unsure about out how to spell 'Barber'.  Local bloke calls himself 'Hair by David; hairdresser to gentlemen and their sons'.  Known locally as Dai the barber.

Anyone got any plans for a pre gig pint or is it straight to The Club?

We dont have any barbers in my town, just 2 lady hairdressers. So I definitely had my hair 'dressed' rather than 'barbered'. Did u know Micky was a barber before he was a Bystander? Hairdressing's loss was rock'n roll's gain I guess.

Pre-gig plans. Keep my head down and try to avoid all the forum members I've pissed off probably!



Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Mike Morgan on October 02, 2011, 12:50:38 AM
Gav,

I did know about Micky's 'secret past'  A mate of mine used to say that there were three genders, Male, Female and hairdresers.  As you say, Rock 'n' roll's gain...

I have no prob with you  (or anyone elses) opinions, but do you think it may be easier for the assasins if you put your photo in the thingy that goes along your your posts ?  Is it called an avatar?
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Akeno-Pool on October 02, 2011, 12:55:51 AM
Just in from the best Man gig we've been to for many many years.
Met half a dozen Cardiff lads who were blown away - and will be there on 17th. One of them saw a gig over 20 years ago.

To see the interaction between Deke and Martin rolled back the years.

Set list, The Price, Mad on Her, Speak, Steal, Pope, X ray, then Deke took to the stage and it really took off, Ride and the View, 7171551, Daughter C'mon, Many are called, Romain and an epic encore of spunk Rock.

Dragged em back for a second encore with the best Bananas I've heard since whenever.

Closing your eyes you wouldnt know which line up, which generation.

(thats if its OK to have my own biased opinion!)
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Gavin Crumpton on October 02, 2011, 01:04:31 AM
Gav,

I did know about Micky's 'secret past'  A mate of mine used to say that there were three genders, Male, Female and hairdresers.  As you say, Rock 'n' roll's gain...

I have no prob with you  (or anyone elses) opinions, but do you think it may be easier for the assasins if you put your photo in the thingy that goes along your your posts ?  Is it called an avatar?

If were going to make it easy for them I could just wear my Who t-shirt so they have a target to aim at:
(http://www.retroclobber.co.uk/music-t-shirts/images/tshirts/the-who-target-t-shirt.jpg)
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Gavin Crumpton on October 02, 2011, 01:16:51 AM
Just in from the best Man gig we've been to for many many years.
Met half a dozen Cardiff lads who were blown away - and will be there on 17th. One of them saw a gig over 20 years ago.

To see the interaction between Deke and Martin rolled back the years.

Set list, The Price, Mad on Her, Speak, Steal, Pope, X ray, then Deke took to the stage and it really took off, Ride and the View, 7171551, Daughter C'mon, Many are called, Romain and an epic encore of spunk Rock.

Dragged em back for a second encore with the best Bananas I've heard since whenever.

Closing your eyes you wouldnt know which line up, which generation.

(thats if its OK to have my own biased opinion!)
Wow those first 6 songs would be part of everyones favourite Man setlist wouldnt they? Really wish I'd gone. "The Price" such a strong song to open a Man gig with one of my favourite Man songs ever. Cant believe I missed that. Followed by "Mad on Her", they really should have played that live more often over the years. Speak and Steal 2 classics from Mans best ever album KON followed by a couple of top notch MA novelty songs. Close your eyes and it could just be ...Ace, Ryan and the indie kids.

...we got stuck behind the man with x-ray eyes...

Deke, you legend, why on earth did you chose to join the circus, you're so much beter than that? Dear me, glad it was just for one night.

Michael, Jules, Tim lets have your unbiased, objective views now please:
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Akeno-Pool on October 02, 2011, 01:29:30 AM
Just in from the best Man gig we've been to for many many years.
Met half a dozen Cardiff lads who were blown away - and will be there on 17th. One of them saw a gig over 20 years ago.

To see the interaction between Deke and Martin rolled back the years.

Set list, The Price, Mad on Her, Speak, Steal, Pope, X ray, then Deke took to the stage and it really took off, Ride and the View, 7171551, Daughter C'mon, Many are called, Romain and an epic encore of spunk Rock.

Dragged em back for a second encore with the best Bananas I've heard since whenever.

Closing your eyes you wouldnt know which line up, which generation.

(thats if its OK to have my own biased opinion!)
Wow those first 6 songs would be part of everyones favourite Man setlist wouldnt they? Really wish I'd gone. "The Price" such a strong song to open a Man gig with one of my favourite Man songs ever. Cant believe I missed that. Followed by "Mad on Her", they really should have played that live more often over the years. Speak and Steal 2 classics from Mans best ever album KON followed by a couple of top notch MA novelty songs. Close your eyes and it could just be ...Ace, Ryan and the indie kids.

...we got stuck behind the man with x-ray eyes...

Deke, you legend, why on earth did you chose to join the circus, you're so much beter than that? Dear me, glad it was just for one night.

Michael, Jules, Tim lets have your unbiased, objective views now please:

It was worth the effort just for Deke and Martin playing Ride and the View, though obviously at the start of the gig I just stood wishing I was sniping on a message board whilst watching Doctor Who.
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Michael Heatley on October 02, 2011, 01:37:20 AM
Funnily enough, my friend Deke doesnt take sides. Bob, another of my friends, was on the way to play a gig in Leicester. He said 'Give the boys my love'. And he wasn't being sarcastic.

If he, and George, can move on, then surely it's time everyone else did. And that's a bit of friendly advice.

PS If anyone wants my thoughts on the gig send me a message, as my initial post seemed to cause unexpected controversy.
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Gavin Crumpton on October 02, 2011, 01:38:32 AM
Now youre not seriously suggesting those first 6 songs had a greater entertainment value than Dr Who are you? You cannot dis the Doctor he's been around longer than Man even. Several thousand years actually
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Allan Heron on October 02, 2011, 01:41:18 AM
Now youre not seriously suggesting those first 6 songs had a greater entertainment value than Dr Who are you? You cannot dis the Doctor he's been around longer than Man even. Several thousand years actually

And all those complaints about Sylvester McCoy being a novelty Dr as well ;-)
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Michael Heatley on October 02, 2011, 01:43:18 AM
Frankly I havent watched since William Hartnell left. Or was he sacked? How these other guys claim to be Who I dont know. Especially the new indie kid. Load of K9P!
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Akeno-Pool on October 02, 2011, 01:51:51 AM
Now youre not seriously suggesting those first 6 songs had a greater entertainment value than Dr Who are you? You cannot dis the Doctor he's been around longer than Man even. Several thousand years actually

Hmmm  Who's dissing?
Anyway I didnt watch it tonight (and never have) so I am in a good position to comment that  Dr Who was rubbish tonight, what with that new assistant and the change in theme tune, another different Dr who isnt the same as the original Dr that I used to like, and other things I know nothing about.
I'm insulted.
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Gavin Crumpton on October 02, 2011, 02:06:44 AM
Funnily enough, my friend Deke doesnt take sides. Bob, another of my friends, was on the way to play a gig in Leicester. He said 'Give the boys my love'. And he wasn't being sarcastic.

If he, and George, can move on, then surely it's time everyone else did. And that's a bit of friendly advice.

PS If anyone wants my thoughts on the gig send me a message, as my initial post seemed to cause unexpected controversy.

Michael, you havent read my post about rattling cages either have you?
I cant make it any clearer really.

As I said 3 years and you lot still dont disappoint.

Did Bob say whether he'd got his royalies for KON yet? I know Bob and George love Martin really they tell me all the time. I reckon he'll be one of the special guests at their gig. What do you think?

Seriously Michael those first 6 songs even you must have found that hard, or did you disappear to the bar to watch Dr Who?

The farce continues and the circus rolls on to Hamburg next. Which I undersand is being filmed for DVD release.
They should be match fit as its the last gig of the European tour. Has it been commissioned to a professional company or is it the guys that did Rex? Lets hope its in synch this time and 16:9, surely it wont be HD. Did I tell you Effigy is professional now? Not that Martin could afford us, or that we'd work with him because he just cant be trusted on the financial side of things as you well know. And well those first 6 songs would be a problem. Take Dekes songs out of the equation and the set list for the DVD will be, well not great will it. Perhaps they'll drop the novelty songs and plunder the back catalogue. Who knows or cares. Hopefully somebody will send me a copy of the DVD when it comes out I do so enjoy waching live comedy.

That really is it for this year. Unless Martin answers my email which of course he wont.

Until next time. Love and peace, and dont forget look out for the Who T-Shirt on Dec 17th, although I may be wearing body armour underneath.

Ramble on!

PS Michael, you're on the memorial concert DVD singing "If Paradise was half as nice" In perfect harmony with AFL. Hope you'll waive your performance royalties as its for charity.
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Gavin Crumpton on October 02, 2011, 02:22:19 AM
Now youre not seriously suggesting those first 6 songs had a greater entertainment value than Dr Who are you? You cannot dis the Doctor he's been around longer than Man even. Several thousand years actually

Hmmm  Who's dissing?
Anyway I didnt watch it tonight (and never have) so I am in a good position to comment that  Dr Who was rubbish tonight, what with that new assistant and the change in theme tune, another different Dr who isnt the same as the original Dr that I used to like, and other things I know nothing about.
I'm insulted.

I heard that the Doctor's assistant was verbally and physically abusive to the shows technical staff, but its probably not true as`it says on the Dr Who Archive that the root causes were complex and multiple. And the archive prides itself on always being factually correct. I also heard that the new Dr Who pocketed royalties from DVD releases of previous series that should have been shared out among the entire cast and he didnt even appear in some of the episodes? Can believe thats true he seems like such a nice timelord. But if it is true that would make him a very naughty timelord indeed!

None of thats true, its just a dream I had...
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Tel on October 02, 2011, 07:28:57 AM
Frankly I havent watched since William Hartnell left. Or was he sacked? How these other guys claim to be Who I dont know. Especially the new indie kid. Load of K9P!

Heatley you Heathen  ;)

WH left at the end of the first Cybermen story, The Tenth Planet, through ill health, in fact he was so bad he's hardly in The Tenth Planet spending a lot of the plot unconcious.

Matt Smith did take a bit of getting used to after David Tennant, but I remember him in Party Animals, a political drama about a Labour Party Minister where he played one of her researchers. The MP was played by the gorgeous Raquel Cassidy(*) who was also in Dr Who earlier this year.

(*Note to Rob W - that's a proper older woman fantasy!)

And he was very good.

Like all Doctors there are parts of his character that annoy me but he'scertainly grown into the part. And Alex Kingston(#) has always impressed me as an actress. I watch the re-runs of ER hoping she'll be in them.

(# Note to Rob W - as above).

And it was a great episode, resolving a olong running storyline from last year and opening another one. (Damn you Steven Moffat - now I've got to wait anxiously again)

(Oh and Rob - I'll add Louise Delamare into the list - She was in "No Angels")  ;D

Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Rob W on October 02, 2011, 10:44:51 AM
Cheers, Tel. Thanks for the various bits of advice there, I'm afraid I don't know anything about the ladies  mentioned, but as you prefer Suzannah thingy to Sian Williams, sorry matey, not taking advice from you, because  clearly you haven't a clue.....no sirrreeee  ;D 

And whilst on the subject, I was in the car yesterday, and what comes on the radio - Chirpy Chirpy Cheep Cheep. But this is the deeply disturbing bit. Did I think back to TOTP, or You Tube videos ( ;) ! ) about wotsername there, wearing those gorgeous hotpants, showing off the sexiest bum and sexiest legs ever seen by mankind?   No!   As a result of his recent postings on the Message Board about said lady, first thing I thought of was Allan Piggin' Heron. How b*st*rd sad was that???   

Grrrrrrr    ;D
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Allan Heron on October 02, 2011, 10:51:05 AM
Cheers, Tel. Thanks for the various bits of advice there, I'm afraid I don't know anything about the ladies  mentioned, but as you prefer Suzannah thingy to Sian Williams, sorry matey, not taking advice from you, because  clearly you haven't a clue.....no sirrreeee  ;D 

And whilst on the subject, I was in the car yesterday, and what comes on the radio - Chirpy Chirpy Cheep Cheep. But this is the deeply disturbing bit. Did I think back to TOTP, or You Tube videos ( ;) ! ) about wotsername there, wearing those gorgeous hotpants, showing off the sexiest bum and sexiest legs ever seen by mankind?   No!   As a result of his recent postings on the Message Board about said lady, first thing I thought of was Allan Piggin' Heron. How b*st*rd sad was that???   

Grrrrrrr    ;D

But was I wearing hotpants?  That would be worrying  ::)
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Mike Morgan on October 02, 2011, 11:17:14 AM
What's not to like about Karen Gillan?

Top bird!
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: helena on October 02, 2011, 11:33:13 AM
I was standing next to Michael H last night and saw him using his smart phone and joked that he was posting - turns out he really was!

I'm getting fed up of everyone sniping. This is supposed to be about MUSIC for goodness sake! Here's my opinion - a sort of review - for what it's worth. I may be newish to this forum but not to Man - only to the recent politics. And if you didn't go last night, you are in no position to criticise what you did not see.

Bearing in mind that I had not seen any version of Man live since 1975 ish, I have no axes to grind but will declare an interest in wanting to see Deke play.

The band started minus Deke for a sort of “Martin Ace’s greatest hits” section. The Price kicked it off in a strong fashion, quickly followed by Mad On Her, a couple of songs from Josh which I don’t know but were melodic enough, Popemobile and X Ray Eyes. I’m not the greatest fan of Martin’s voice or songs but he was singing well and a lot of smiles around me showed that the audience (which was respectable in size – maybe 120?) was pleased with what they were hearing.

Martin then introduced his surprise for the night “someone with a ruddy face and silver pony tail – one of the only 2 surviving members of the original Man Band”. That would be Deke then, arriving dressed in black from head to toe and to good applause. Straight into a short slide intro to The Ride and The View – and it’s clear that Deke is in good voice. I say so to MH who opines that it’s much better than it was in soundcheck. He’s obviously recovered from a 5 hour nightmare car drive from Chester on what turned out to be the hottest Saturday of the year. Generally all night Deke’s voice is strong and sounds better than some of the videos from the last few years that I have seen.

7171 551, C’mon – and at some point which might have been in the middle of C’mon - MH (he said he wanted money to be quoted on this so I'll buy the beer next time Michael!) was heard to say “just like the old times”. I’m a bit hazy on song order here and might have missed something ....but.... Daughter of the Fireplace and Many are Called took us through the Part 2, the regulation long encores with Romain, Spunk Rock, Bananas and a really funky version of Do It with Deke back on fine vocal form to finish off with.

This was good music played by good musicians who really looked like they were enjoying themselves (particularly the older members!). They had clearly rehearsed and in general it was quite tight, just the odd rough ending here and there. Maybe it was a little heavy at times with not a lot of the musical space that often characterised Man – but with 3 guitars and keyboards I suppose there’s not a lot of room. There were some good harmonies, some lovely keyboard solo work from Phil and plenty of guitar from James; perhaps not as much from Deke as one would have liked but when he was playing it was instantly distinctive. Afterwards he said ruefully that he was “not match fit” but it didn’t really show, although he did admit to falling up the stairs from the dressing room to the stage on top of his guitar “the guitar’s all right though”.

The smile on MH’s face at the end said it all. If you didn’t come on principle you missed a good night. Would I go and see the band without Deke? Well, that’s another story.

Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Rob W on October 02, 2011, 12:01:16 PM
Thanks for the report. A good attendance, more than many would have anticipated, and more than I have seen at a fair number of Man gig's.

Maybe as discussed post '83 that the band should perform 'one off' gigs well spaced out in terms of distance, would have resulted in quite healthy crowds, rather than appearing on consecutive nights just 20 miles up the road. 

If I may make one slight but important correction. Although "everyone" may hold different views, well maybe just two actually, for or against, there is only one person, who is "sniping". This is important to mention, because it implies we as 'fans' are falling out with each other. This is most certainly not the case. But it could! (I hope this is now not used as an excuse to hijack this thread!) 

 :) 
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Jules on October 02, 2011, 12:15:58 PM
Michael, Jules, Tim lets have your unbiased, objective views now please:
Far too entertaining reading yours Gav.
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Nick Nation on October 02, 2011, 12:54:20 PM
Thanks for the review, Helen. Looking forward to reading more.

So DL didn't do 14 songs as predicted....and no new ones? Any mention of the box set?
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Akeno-Pool on October 02, 2011, 01:07:03 PM
No mention of Box Set or Book.
Definately over 120 people paid for tickets.
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Jules on October 02, 2011, 01:50:33 PM
The "Live Adventures Of Man" box set is endorsed by the band. Phil's allegedly writing some liner notes... My fears about it being unsanctioned were unfounded.

Deke's latest book is delayed as Michael has mentioned elsewhere. There was a short information slip on most seats yesterday advising interested punters to send an e-mail to northdown01@gmail.com with a blank message and Twang in the subject line. 
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Akeno-Pool on October 02, 2011, 01:52:06 PM
The "Live Adventures Of Man" box set is endorsed by the band. Phil's allegedly writing some liner notes... My fears about it being unsanctioned were unfounded.

Deke's latest book is delayed as Michael has mentioned elsewhere. There was a short information slip on most seats yesterday advising interested punters to send an e-mail to northdown01@gmail.com with a blank message and Twang in the subject line.

Many thanks for the updates.
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: buster on October 02, 2011, 02:03:07 PM
Helena - your review was right on the money. Good to see Phil open up towards the end. Do it was really great.
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Nick Nation on October 02, 2011, 02:18:12 PM
The "Live Adventures Of Man" box set is endorsed by the band.

So the appropriate royalties will reach Micky and Clint's estates? (apologies to legal experts here, not sure if 'estate' is the right word, but you know what I mean)

Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Gavin Crumpton on October 02, 2011, 02:30:29 PM
The "Live Adventures Of Man" box set is endorsed by the band.

So the appropriate royalties will reach Micky and Clint's estates? (apologies to legal experts here, not sure if 'estate' is the right word, but you know what I mean)

So why didnt George know anything about it? I suppose Martin didnt feel it necessary to consult him, why I wonder wouldnt he want to do that?

Is it correct that the company releasing this is run by some former Voiceprint people? If so I think that answers all our questions!
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Jules on October 02, 2011, 04:19:02 PM
The "Live Adventures Of Man" box set is endorsed by the band.

So the appropriate royalties will reach Micky and Clint's estates? (apologies to legal experts here, not sure if 'estate' is the right word, but you know what I mean)

I have no idea what the arrangements are for payment of royalties. That's something that should be referred to the companies involved.
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Gavin Crumpton on October 02, 2011, 04:24:10 PM
The "Live Adventures Of Man" box set is endorsed by the band.

So the appropriate royalties will reach Micky and Clint's estates? (apologies to legal experts here, not sure if 'estate' is the right word, but you know what I mean)

I have no idea what the arrangements are for payment of royalties. That's something that should be referred to the companies involved.
So what then does endorsed by the band mean?
Endorsed by Martin and Phil?
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Jules on October 02, 2011, 04:27:10 PM
So why didnt George know anything about it? I suppose Martin didnt feel it necessary to consult him, why I wonder wouldnt he want to do that?
I don't know, but possibly because George is no longer in the band. I suspect Ray, Jeff, Clive, Will, Terry, Tweke, Ken, Malcolm, John, John, Pugwash, Rick, Bob, Gareth, Deke and Micky weren't consulted either.
Is it correct that the company releasing this is run by some former Voiceprint people?

I don't know. Perhaps you could ask them?

I'm happy to share any relevant information I've got. Feel free to boycott the release if your principles are holding you back.
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Jules on October 02, 2011, 04:29:23 PM
So what then does endorsed by the band mean?
Endorsed by Martin and Phil?

Martin's aware that the box set is being prepared, Phil's been asked to provide some liner notes, so yes, as far as I know that sums it up.
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Gavin Crumpton on October 02, 2011, 05:04:07 PM
So why didnt George know anything about it? I suppose Martin didnt feel it necessary to consult him, why I wonder wouldnt he want to do that?
I don't know, but possibly because George is no longer in the band. I suspect Ray, Jeff, Clive, Will, Terry, Tweke, Ken, Malcolm, John, John, Pugwash, Rick, Bob, Gareth, Deke and Micky weren't consulted either.
Is it correct that the company releasing this is run by some former Voiceprint people?

I don't know. Perhaps you could ask them?

I'm happy to share any relevant information I've got. Feel free to boycott the release if your principles are holding you back.

As I'm sure you're aware George looks after Micky's interests as regards royalties and he has posted on here expressing concern over this. It is not in a legal or moral sense possible for the current band to sanction a release featuring previous line ups unless they actually play on the recording. Neither is it legal for them to pocket the royalties if thats whats happening.

My understanding is that legally more than half of the the people who appear on the recording have to agree to its release (or in the case of deceased members the beneficiary of the estate). And all that appear on it (or their beneficiaries) are entitled to a share of the royalties.

So I think what you've actually confirmed is that this release is NOT sanctioned and its legality is dubious.

Murky waters indeed!
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: John Bannon on October 02, 2011, 06:29:39 PM
Whilst we are on the subject - I'm still waiting for my royalties for screaming out when I heard 'Eddie Waring' from Christmas at the Patti..........Oh you had to actually be there.....maybe not then
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Jules on October 02, 2011, 07:18:03 PM
So I think what you've actually confirmed is that this release is NOT sanctioned and its legality is dubious.

Please be careful not to mis-quote me Gav. I do of course realise that what you've said here is what you "think" I've "confirmed", however what I've stated is that current members of the band are aware of the release, and have endorsed it.

Any further queries you have should be taken up with the publishers. Any questions regarding distribution of any royalties due should also be taken up with the publishers, by those people who feel they may be due a share of any royalties generated.
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Ade Angove on October 02, 2011, 07:25:55 PM
Don't hold your breath John ... my interesting and innovative mixture of a violent sneeze and a guffaw from the front row of Bindles, Barry Island during the live recording of Max Boyce's "The Incredible Plan" album made it onto the final mix ... but nary a sniff of royalties have I ever seen for it.
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Jules on October 02, 2011, 07:29:10 PM
Whilst we are on the subject - I'm still waiting for my royalties for screaming out when I heard 'Eddie Waring' from Christmas at the Patti..........Oh you had to actually be there.....maybe not then

Indeed. Johnners is still waiting for his dues after audibly shouting for "Bananas" on  Maximum Darkness. Even with this being mentioned explicitly in Deke's notes on the back of the included poster, rewards came there none.
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Allan Heron on October 02, 2011, 07:35:07 PM
Indeed. Johnners is still waiting for his dues after audibly shouting for "Bananas" on  Maximum Darkness. Even with this being mentioned explicitly in Deke's notes on the back of the included poster, rewards came there none.

Is that not reward enough?
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Jules on October 02, 2011, 08:03:38 PM
Is that not reward enough?

You'd think so wouldn't you, after all I don't complain about the unsanctioned appearance of my hat on the poster itself.
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Jules on October 02, 2011, 08:06:13 PM
Thoroughly biased and inevitably glowing mini-review now posted in the Live reviews - with spoilers section.

Thoroughly biased and inevitably glowing full review and photos to follow in the Archive in due course.

I know, 'cause I was there.
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Gavin Crumpton on October 02, 2011, 08:42:05 PM
So I think what you've actually confirmed is that this release is NOT sanctioned and its legality is dubious.

Please be careful not to mis-quote me Gav. I do of course realise that what you've said here is what you "think" I've "confirmed", however what I've stated is that current members of the band are aware of the release, and have endorsed it.

Any further queries you have should be taken up with the publishers. Any questions regarding distribution of any royalties due should also be taken up with the publishers, by those people who feel they may be due a share of any royalties generated.

Well Jules people on here (including George) have questioned the legitamacy of this release. They want to know that everyone involved is getting their fair share. Maybe youre happy as long as Martin and Phil get their share and everyone else loses out but I suspect many on here are not.

You really shouldnt have given forum members the impression this is legitamate and above board when certainly on the face of it it isnt and given past history people should be very suspicious.

So if anyone is concerned about this release then answer given the info to hand is that it is extremely questionable as to whether this is entirely above board as regards distribution of royalties.

 
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Greasy Trucker on October 02, 2011, 08:55:02 PM
I went to Leamington with a friend, (Anna, one of the photographers on my magazine), who had never heard of Man, and certainly doesn't know anything about the traumas which have split the fanbase.

Her (therefore unbiassed) notes which she passed to me roughly correspond with Jules' mini-review (particularly the venue and the bar - she WASN'T driving).  The key thing she noted was 'the band went up a gear when the really old geezer joined them' 8)
She counts crowds in a different way to Jules, by walking round and looking at 'tops', God knows how that works, but she counted 220 before the set started and 350 between encores, my guess is the foremer was accurate and the latter alcohol driven.

I enjoyed the post-Deke portion of the gig as much as any gig since Derby Kings Hall 1976.
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Akeno-Pool on October 02, 2011, 09:51:10 PM
Spot on Greasy.
We werent last in so must be well over 120
As good as the Feltham extravaganza.
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Jules on October 03, 2011, 12:05:20 AM
Well Jules people on here (including George) have questioned the legitamacy of this release.
Me too, see previous postings.
They want to know that everyone involved is getting their fair share.
Me too, but it's a legal/commercial arrangement between the parties involved. I'm not one of them..
Maybe youre happy as long as Martin and Phil get their share and everyone else loses out but I suspect many on here are not.
Then again, maybe I'm not. I certainly don't believe I've posted anything that would justify your speculation over what would make me happy.

You really shouldnt have given forum members the impression this is legitamate and above board when certainly on the face of it it isnt and given past history people should be very suspicious.
I simply stated that Martin and Phil are aware of it. I have no information about any of the other arrangements that may or may not have been made by the people behind the release.

So if anyone is concerned about this release then answer given the info to hand is that it is extremely questionable as to whether this is entirely above board as regards distribution of royalties.

Yes folks, in the grown up world you have to make your own minds up as to whether it should be an essential part of your collection.
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Gavin Crumpton on October 03, 2011, 12:29:08 AM
Interesting how you lose interest in the legitamacy of this release once you know Martin and Phil are getting their share. And it wouldnt be the first time you try to cover up Martin and Phils misdemeanours would it (KON write up for instance)?

In answer to your patronising comments on what is actually quite a serious issue for some heres a notion:

IN MY VERSION OF THE GROWN UP WORLD YOU DO NOT STEAL FROM YOUR FORMER BAND "MATES" AND THEIR FAMILIES ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY ARE / WERE SERIOUSLY ILL. PERIOD.

Anyone beg to differ?
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Jules on October 03, 2011, 12:36:28 AM
Interesting how you lose interest in the legitamacy of this release once you know Martin and Phil are getting their share. And it wouldnt be the first time you try to cover up Martin and Phils misdemeanours would it (KON write up for instance)?

There's no cover up in the Kingdom Of Noise review Gav, perhaps you should read it again. What you choose to regard as Martin and Phil's misdemeanours are just a one-sided interpretation of the facts. The several other interpretations are equally valid. I don't understand where you get the impression that my comments were patronising.

On a serious matter, if you have any evidence of theft, you should certainly take it to the appropriate authorities.
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Gavin Crumpton on October 03, 2011, 12:41:17 AM
Interesting how you lose interest in the legitamacy of this release once you know Martin and Phil are getting their share. And it wouldnt be the first time you try to cover up Martin and Phils misdemeanours would it (KON write up for instance)?

There's no cover up in the Kingdom Of Noise review Gav, perhaps you should read it again. What you choose to regard as Martin and Phil's misdemeanours are just a one-sided interpretation of the facts. The several other interpretations are equally valid. I don't understand where you get the impression that my comments were patronising.

On a serious matter, if you have any evidence of theft, you should certainly take it to the appropriate authorities.
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Greasy Trucker on October 03, 2011, 12:44:29 AM
Interesting how you lose interest in the legitamacy of this release once you know Martin and Phil are getting their share. And it wouldnt be the first time you try to cover up Martin and Phils misdemeanours would it (KON write up for instance)?

In answer to your patronising comments on what is actually quite a serious issue for some heres a notion:

IN MY VERSION OF THE GROWN UP WORLD YOU DO NOT STEAL FROM YOUR FORMER BAND "MATES" AND THEIR FAMILIES ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY ARE / WERE SERIOUSLY ILL. PERIOD.

Anyone beg to differ?

I don't beg to differ but I do offer the following insight, originally written by a bard greater even than Deke: 

'Let he without sin cast the first stone'. 

If you have one bootleg, one bought-off-a-Turkish-market-trader DVD, one CD that someone copied for you specifically so you didn't have to buy it, or one fake pair of Emporio Armani sunglasses for that matter, your viewpoint is invalid because you are equally culpable.  Take a look around, and again this isn't personal to you Gavin, in fact I am struggling to stay virgin white myself - I don't possess any of the above but do condone my daughters owning rip-off DVD's.

Just a view.   
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Gavin Crumpton on October 03, 2011, 12:53:33 AM
Interesting how you lose interest in the legitamacy of this release once you know Martin and Phil are getting their share. And it wouldnt be the first time you try to cover up Martin and Phils misdemeanours would it (KON write up for instance)?

There's no cover up in the Kingdom Of Noise review Gav, perhaps you should read it again. What you choose to regard as Martin and Phil's misdemeanours are just a one-sided interpretation of the facts. The several other interpretations are equally valid. I don't understand where you get the impression that my comments were patronising.

On a serious matter, if you have any evidence of theft, you should certainly take it to the appropriate authorities.

Actually it isnt one sided I've heard what happened in some detail from the staff at the studio. I'd say they were pretty much neutral in this and had no reason to lie. And the stuff re Georges guitar tracks is utter bollox they were pretty much finished. Actually George has mixes of KON wih his guitar tracks present. They were deleted and replaced. Fact!

You've rewritten the bands recent history to show your mates in a better light and thats all there is too it.
It does seriously dent the credibility of the whole archive when you deliberately write and publish an article which is so inaccurate. What else on here is fabricated Jules???
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Jules on October 03, 2011, 01:36:08 AM
Interesting how you lose interest in the legitamacy of this release once you know Martin and Phil are getting their share. And it wouldnt be the first time you try to cover up Martin and Phils misdemeanours would it (KON write up for instance)?

There's no cover up in the Kingdom Of Noise review Gav, perhaps you should read it again. What you choose to regard as Martin and Phil's misdemeanours are just a one-sided interpretation of the facts. The several other interpretations are equally valid. I don't understand where you get the impression that my comments were patronising.

On a serious matter, if you have any evidence of theft, you should certainly take it to the appropriate authorities.

Actually it isnt one sided I've heard what happened in some detail from the staff at the studio. I'd say they were pretty much neutral in this and had no reason to lie. And the stuff re Georges guitar tracks is utter bollox they were pretty much finished. Actually George has mixes of KON wih his guitar tracks present. They were deleted and replaced. Fact!

You've rewritten the bands recent history to show your mates in a better light and thats all there is too it.
It does seriously dent the credibility of the whole archive when you deliberately write and publish an article which is so inaccurate. What else on here is fabricated Jules???

I stand by the review, and everything else in the Archive.

My review says George's guitar tracks were "left unfinished". Your comment says they were "pretty much finished". Spot the difference? I can't. I'm aware George's tracks were later deleted. The view I was given at the time was that it wouldn't be proper to present Kingdom Of Noise as it was originally recorded, as "that lineup no longer exists". Can't say I fully agree with the sentiments, but that's not my call. It wouldn't have been the first time in Man's recorded history that a release was issued with only two of the previous members still in the lineup. Bob still features prominently on several Kingdom Of Noise tracks, which seems to suggest it could have been done.   

From what I've heard of events in the studio, I couldn't regard the staff as neutral. From what I've heard of behaviour in the studio, I'd have to consider that a number of people stepped over lines that they might, on reflection, not have done. Your earlier comments outline much the same information that was shared with me. George offered some songs that were not accepted, either because they weren't finished or weren't regarded as suitable (I've not heard any of them, so I'm not entitled to offer an opinion). Phil, as the producer, had a running battle with the studio staff, who seemingly couldn't do what he needed from them, or couldn't understand what was being requested. Tempers ran hot. George and Bob sided with the studio people rather than their band. They were sacked. Emotions run high when people are under stress, and can spill out in unwelcome ways. Band loyalty, and dis-loyalty, sometimes comes at a price. For the avoidance of doubt, I do not blame George or Bob for the breakup, any more than I do Martin, Phil or Josh, or anyone involved in the periphery.

My review deliberately downplayed the situation in the studio in order to avoid needlessly agitating everyone who was involved, not just Martin and Phil. The aim was to provide some information about the music, with the background being just that, background. Each of the album reviews has an interactive section for Archive visitors to add their own comments if desired. Quite a few have done so on various albums. Obviously, defamatory or actionable comments couldn't be allowed to stand in the Archive itself, but there's a natural outlet for everyone to express more extreme views in this Forum.

I'm saddened that what was potentially a productive lineup of Man exploded the way it did. I voiced my opinions on the split to Martin at the time, as has also been noted here previously. I thought heads should be knocked together until they saw sense again. Again though, my personal observations were that the cracks were appearing well before the recording sessions, which served mainly as the flashpoint.

That said, we move on. I'm delighted to have heard James Beck and Rene Robrahn playing in the current line up. They both bring something new, which would not otherwise have happened. Both have talent and shouldn't be tarred and feathered by the circumstances that created the openings for them. James and Phil have a great musical relationship building and I hope they can develop it further. Perhaps it's worth re-stating that the purpose of the Archive is "Celebrating the past, present and future of the legendary Welsh rock band MAN". I fully intend to maintain that purpose.

For George and Bob, the future's theirs. I've followed George's work with the Cover Sluts with interest and I'm very glad the George's recent time on the bench has come to an end again. When "Son Of Man" get going, they'll feature prominently in the Archive, and of course any music released will get an equally biased and inevitably glowing review. Bob's career over the past couple of years has been a bit more difficult for me to follow as it seems to be mostly session work. Same rules apply though, if a band gets off the ground, it'll be covered in the Archive.

I would of course like to feel that I'd be welcome at the Christmas Jam this year. It seems doubtful in some quarters. I couldn't make the tribute shows (still bought as much merch as I could), but December's not out of the question.
 
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Gavin Crumpton on October 03, 2011, 09:49:12 AM
Thats a VERY long winded view of saying "I went with Martin and Phils version of events"
By your own admission you heard both versions of events but reported just Martin and Phils.

After all Martin has such a good record on being straight and honest with everybody hasnt he?

Can anybody else here smell BULLSHIT?

I'll rephrase what I said, Georges guitar tracks were finished bar a little tweaking in pro tools. His songs were finished I have them right here on my hard drive. For my money they're a whole lot better than most of what did appear on KON and certainly more in the Man tradition IMHO. But dont take my word for it they should be on the Son of Man LP although obviously somewhat re-recorded. And less face it even allowing for subjectivity theres not many worse songs than "Chuffin like a Muffin" and ultimately Martin deemed that fit to be included.

And while we're at it any suggestions that the studio at Blackwood or its staff are not up to scratch are nonsense. It has a very good reputation and the Son of Man stuff recorded with the same studio staff sounds excellent. Again people will be able to judge this for themselves soon. But you jus dont get the best out of people by being abusive and intimidating. You'd think after all their years in the business Martin and Phil would realise that!

I'm sure you'll be welcome on Dec 17th. George has said he'd like it to be an evening of friendship (and music)
It would seriously help though if you take your head out of Martin's arse for one night or preferably a little longer! But I for one have lost a lot of respect for you Jules and what you're doing here with the archive mainly as a result as that utter nonesense you've written in that KON article.

Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Nick Nation on October 03, 2011, 10:43:16 AM

I don't beg to differ but I do offer the following insight, originally written by a bard greater even than Deke: 

'Let he without sin cast the first stone'. 

If you have one bootleg, one bought-off-a-Turkish-market-trader DVD, one CD that someone copied for you specifically so you didn't have to buy it, or one fake pair of Emporio Armani sunglasses for that matter, your viewpoint is invalid because you are equally culpable.   

I take your point, Greasy - but I think there is a difference here. Your example is of someone buying/acquiring unofficial product, whereas the concern here is of someone selling a product.

Bad enough when an unscrupulous label cashes in on a former artists subsequent success with rehashed material, but worse when it's the band themselves depriving former members the royalties to which they would be entitled for writing/co-writing much of the material, should this be the case.

.....but do condone my daughters owning rip-off DVD's.

Ahh, that'll be Voicepant's Man 'Introspective' then!

Bob still features prominently on several Kingdom Of Noise tracks....

'From what I understand' that was because they were unable to remove his tracks!



Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Campbell on October 03, 2011, 12:09:29 PM
Well things on this site have certainly been rather animated of late

To quote from Gavin

I'm sure you'll be welcome on Dec 17th. George has said he'd like it to be an evening of friendship (and music)
It would seriously help though if you take your head out of Martin's arse for one night or preferably a little longer! But I for one have lost a lot of respect for you Jules and what you're doing here with the archive mainly as a result as that utter nonesense you've written in that KON article.

I beg to differ Gav,Jules invests a considerable amount of time providing this forum for Man enthusiasts and I think if you read his posts he tries to stay as balanced as poss
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Peter Steventon on October 03, 2011, 12:46:25 PM
Two of us from Germany and a mate from Wakefield will be there an the 17th and will have a beer or two with anyone whos buying..... I might even dip into my own pocket during the evening
But I´m staying out of this thread.
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: William Rait on October 03, 2011, 12:46:43 PM
I'M GLAD THAT DEKE WAS THERE AND ABLE TO PERFORM AS WELL AS EVERYONE WHO WAS THERE SAYS. I'M GLAD THAT MARTIN AND PHIL ARE STILL ALIVE AND ABLE TO PERFORM. I'M GLAD THAT WE ARE ALL HERE TODAY ABLE TO BE ROWING AND ARGUING ABOUT STUFF OVER WHICH WE HAVE NO SAY. NO DOUBT THIS LITTLE HOPE FOR TOLERANCE AND GOODWILL TO ALL BEINGS WILL BE MISUNDERSTOOD BUT NEVERTHELESS....

MAY ALL BEINGS BE HAPPY
MAY ALL BEINGS BE WELL
MAY ALL BEINGS BE FREE FROM SUFFERING
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Gavin Crumpton on October 03, 2011, 01:12:36 PM
I beg to differ Gav,Jules invests a considerable amount of time providing this forum for Man enthusiasts and I think if you read his posts he tries to stay as balanced as poss

All respect to Jules for providing the archive and forum. It has been invaluable especially for communicating gig and release info. Unquestionably so. I'm also extremely thankful to Jules personally for his assistance with, and the archive as a resource for, GWP1. But he has let himself and the archive down since the split in 2008 by not staying balanced and the KON write up is a prime example of this and his approach has perpertuated a lot of the bad feeling.

With KON, he had listened to both sides and taken and reported Martin's side entirely, how is that balanced? Where there is a variance in the accounts of what happened surely the best thing would have been to say nothing or at the very least attribute what was written to Martin.
 
He is very good mates with Martin and thats where he's coming from these days. He wont even acknowledge how many long term fans Martin has lost the band since 2008.

Gloss over and cover up anything negative thats what it's all about here these days!
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Rusby on October 03, 2011, 02:18:12 PM
the only thing we hear of son of man is the talking of Gavin here in this forum. when will there be something on the musical side to listen to? that would be more interesting than this shit here in the forum. my point of view within 3 years there should be something to listen to for everyone and not only for ppl involved making the records or something like that... End
____________________________________________
I agree with Uncle Bill who post this:
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"I'M GLAD THAT DEKE WAS THERE AND ABLE TO PERFORM AS WELL AS EVERYONE WHO WAS THERE SAYS. I'M GLAD THAT MARTIN AND PHIL ARE STILL ALIVE AND ABLE TO PERFORM. I'M GLAD THAT WE ARE ALL HERE TODAY ABLE TO BE ROWING AND ARGUING ABOUT STUFF OVER WHICH WE HAVE NO SAY. NO DOUBT THIS LITTLE HOPE FOR TOLERANCE AND GOODWILL TO ALL BEINGS WILL BE MISUNDERSTOOD BUT NEVERTHELESS....

MAY ALL BEINGS BE HAPPY
MAY ALL BEINGS BE WELL
MAY ALL BEINGS BE FREE FROM SUFFERING"
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Gavin Crumpton on October 03, 2011, 02:25:04 PM
Not quite the only thing:

Son of Man performed at Mickys memorial concert, one song of which is on YouTube.

George has just announced they will be playing at the xmas party on Dec 17th

As for the LP I fully agree it should be finished and released before people lose interest, if they havent already. Whats happening George? Bob?


the only thing we hear of son of man is the talking of Gavin here in this forum. when will there be something on the musical side to listen to? that would be more interesting than this shit here in the forum. my point of view within 3 years there should be something to listen to for everyone and not only for ppl involved making the records or something like that... End
____________________________________________
I agree with Uncle Bill who post this:
____________________________________________
"I'M GLAD THAT DEKE WAS THERE AND ABLE TO PERFORM AS WELL AS EVERYONE WHO WAS THERE SAYS. I'M GLAD THAT MARTIN AND PHIL ARE STILL ALIVE AND ABLE TO PERFORM. I'M GLAD THAT WE ARE ALL HERE TODAY ABLE TO BE ROWING AND ARGUING ABOUT STUFF OVER WHICH WE HAVE NO SAY. NO DOUBT THIS LITTLE HOPE FOR TOLERANCE AND GOODWILL TO ALL BEINGS WILL BE MISUNDERSTOOD BUT NEVERTHELESS....

MAY ALL BEINGS BE HAPPY
MAY ALL BEINGS BE WELL
MAY ALL BEINGS BE FREE FROM SUFFERING"
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Akeno-Pool on October 03, 2011, 02:33:03 PM
 But he has let himself and the archive down since the split in 2008 by not staying balanced and the KON write up is a prime example of this and his approach has perpertuated a lot of the bad feeling.

Sounds like a perfect opportunity for you to set up your own archive.....
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Iowerth Pritchard on October 03, 2011, 03:06:33 PM
But he has let himself and the archive down since the split in 2008 by not staying balanced and the KON write up is a prime example of this and his approach has perpertuated a lot of the bad feeling.

Sounds like a perfect opportunity for you to set up your own archive.....

An alternative Manband Archive is totally unnecessary.  The resource that Jules has provided is excellent, and I think we all would all want to thank him for the countless hours he must have spent working on it. 

I think problems can start to arise once the content moves away from pure data onto the review side of things.  By it's very nature a review will contain the reviewer's own viewpoint on the subject matter, and if the reviewer has a personal connection or friendship with the artist(s) it will inevitably colour the review - for good or for bad.

The Manband's turnover in personnel and its changing musical approaches means that many people will favour different periods or albums, and for one person to create a review which both encompasses all views. and also tries to remain impartial, is an impossibility.  To this end could I suggest to Jules that some sort of Archive member review system (a simple 0 - 5 rating, with say a 20 word comments facility) be tagged onto the Manband core catalogue?  This would relieve Jules of the review burden, and enable visitors to the archive to read a cross section of viewpoints.
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Allan Heron on October 03, 2011, 03:20:05 PM
But he has let himself and the archive down since the split in 2008 by not staying balanced and the KON write up is a prime example of this and his approach has perpertuated a lot of the bad feeling.

Sounds like a perfect opportunity for you to set up your own archive.....

An alternative Manband Archive is totally unnecessary.  The resource that Jules has provided is excellent, and I think we all would all want to thank him for the countless hours he must have spent working on it. 

I think problems can start to arise once the content moves away from pure data onto the review side of things.  By it's very nature a review will contain the reviewer's own viewpoint on the subject matter, and if the reviewer has a personal connection or friendship with the artist(s) it will inevitably colour the review - for good or for bad.

The Manband's turnover in personnel and its changing musical approaches means that many people will favour different periods or albums, and for one person to create a review which both encompasses all views. and also tries to remain impartial, is an impossibility.  To this end could I suggest to Jules that some sort of Archive member review system (a simple 0 - 5 rating, with say a 20 word comments facility) be tagged onto the Manband core catalogue?  This would relieve Jules of the review burden, and enable visitors to the archive to read a cross section of viewpoints.

Absolutely correct - no comment, review or anything similar is neutral or impartial.    Nor should it be.   If it attempts to be it's almost certainly going to be utterly boring.

No one writes a review, a book or similar without bringing their perspective to the party.  When it comes to reading biographies the really interesting characters can generate books from different perspectives that are all worth reading.   If you're very lucky, you might get a feeling for the real person from all those different sources and the perspective that they've applied to their subjects' lives.   Same applies with reviews or commentary about bands.

What we have all been discussing here is largely differences in opinion and perspective.   There's not much dispute about the facts but facts on their own are boring.  Facts concentrate on what happened, when there's always far more interest in why things happened.   And there's no reason whatsoever to expect that there's ever going to be a definitive and universally agreed answer to that question.
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Gavin Crumpton on October 03, 2011, 03:35:09 PM
But he has let himself and the archive down since the split in 2008 by not staying balanced and the KON write up is a prime example of this and his approach has perpertuated a lot of the bad feeling.

Sounds like a perfect opportunity for you to set up your own archive.....

An alternative Manband Archive is totally unnecessary.  The resource that Jules has provided is excellent, and I think we all would all want to thank him for the countless hours he must have spent working on it. 

I think problems can start to arise once the content moves away from pure data onto the review side of things.  By it's very nature a review will contain the reviewer's own viewpoint on the subject matter, and if the reviewer has a personal connection or friendship with the artist(s) it will inevitably colour the review - for good or for bad.

The Manband's turnover in personnel and its changing musical approaches means that many people will favour different periods or albums, and for one person to create a review which both encompasses all views. and also tries to remain impartial, is an impossibility.  To this end could I suggest to Jules that some sort of Archive member review system (a simple 0 - 5 rating, with say a 20 word comments facility) be tagged onto the Manband core catalogue?  This would relieve Jules of the review burden, and enable visitors to the archive to read a cross section of viewpoints.

Absolutely correct - no comment, review or anything similar is neutral or impartial.    Nor should it be.   If it attempts to be it's almost certainly going to be utterly boring.

No one writes a review, a book or similar without bringing their perspective to the party.  When it comes to reading biographies the really interesting characters can generate books from different perspectives that are all worth reading.   If you're very lucky, you might get a feeling for the real person from all those different sources and the perspective that they've applied to their subjects' lives.   Same applies with reviews or commentary about bands.

What we have all been discussing here is largely differences in opinion and perspective.   There's not much dispute about the facts but facts on their own are boring.  Facts concentrate on what happened, when there's always far more interest in why things happened.   And there's no reason whatsoever to expect that there's ever going to be a definitive and universally agreed answer to that question.

Thats all fine. But what isnt IMO is someone with their own agenda writing an article that is deliberately littered with inaccuracies to mislead those reading it. I think it used to be called propoganda, which is what Jules' KON write up, beyond any reasonable doubt, is.
 
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Akeno-Pool on October 03, 2011, 03:41:03 PM


An alternative Manband Archive is totally unnecessary.  The resource that Jules has provided is excellent, and I think we all would all want to thank him for the countless hours he must have spent working on it. 

I completely agree - it is an amazing and most valuable creation.
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Rob W on October 03, 2011, 03:50:31 PM
I thought A-P's suggestion of Gav setting up an alternative archive had perhaps, more pointed connotations.

I maybe on my own here, but I do wonder if much of the content of this and other similar threads, would be better served by PM's between Gav and Jules. I don't think any of this has done or is doing anybody any favours, least of all George and Bob
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Allan Heron on October 03, 2011, 03:59:15 PM
I thought A-P's suggestion of Gav setting up an alternative archive had perhaps, more pointed connotations.

I maybe on my own here, but I do wonder if much of the content of this and other similar threads, would be better served by PM's between Gav and Jules. I don't think any of this has done or is doing anybody any favours, least of all George and Bob

We're going round and round in circles.  Different people think different things.   No need to try to attempt to reconcile or for one to try to convince the other of the error of their ways.

Best way to bring it to a conclusion is to stop posting entirely.  I doubt there's much value to be served by Gavn and Jules exchanding PM's either - we know their positions.   And I doubt private correspondence will move either which is fair enough.

John Coltrane once said to Miles Davis that he found it difficult to stop playing when Miles was chastising him about the length of his solos.   "The first thing you could try", growled Miles, "is take the fucking horn out of your mouth".
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Colin Salter on October 03, 2011, 04:05:17 PM
I don't think PMs are the answer. The tone of Gavin's declamatory postings here and elsewhere, and indeed his open letter here to Martin, make it clear that he wants a public voice. He wants us all to hear his pain. He wants us all to hear his anger. Well, Gavin, I hear you. Can anyone else hear Gavin? Tell Gavin you can hear him.
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Rob W on October 03, 2011, 04:15:06 PM
I was being polite by suggesting PM's.

I'll reword it. Maybe selfishly, and I accept it may be my view only...

Gav, for the billionth time, and also Jules, can you both shut the f*ck up, because nobody is getting anywhere on this, least of all George and Bob. Gav, if there are legal ramifications to all of this, take it to the appropriate authorities.

IMO like !!!
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Gavin Crumpton on October 03, 2011, 04:21:15 PM
I don't think PMs are the answer. The tone of Gavin's declamatory postings here and elsewhere, and indeed his open letter here to Martin, make it clear that he wants a public voice. He wants us all to hear his pain. He wants us all to hear his anger. Well, Gavin, I hear you. Can anyone else hear Gavin? Tell Gavin you can hear him.

Of all the monkeys you come to life the most everytime the cage is rattled Colin dont you?

No pain no anger. I would have thought it was blindingly obvious that I just rattle the cage every time Martin plays as Man, partly for my own amusement, but mainly to cause some discomfort for the arsehole that is Martin Ace and his disciples. They deserve it. People like Colin keep responding even when its spelt out to them which I thought Id done quite clearly on Saturday. Its been hilarious this time listening to everyone get so defensive and righteous yet again, but this will be the last time I promise 3 years is enough. As Alan said its time to get that fucking horn out of my mouth.

Love and peace to you all, except Colin S of course...
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Colin Salter on October 03, 2011, 04:28:47 PM
I hear you, Gavin.
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Akeno-Pool on October 03, 2011, 04:45:42 PM
I thought A-P's suggestion of Gav setting up an alternative archive had perhaps, more pointed connotations.

I maybe on my own here, but I do wonder if much of the content of this and other similar threads, would be better served by PM's between Gav and Jules. I don't think any of this has done or is doing anybody any favours, least of all George and Bob

Spot on Rob, just to reduce the friction.
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Gavin Crumpton on October 03, 2011, 05:00:37 PM
I hear you, Gavin.

...and still the monkey jumps.

The game's over now Colin, time to stop.
Seriously it is.

See you all on 17th when you can either shake my hand or punch me in the face if you want to.
I dont mind.

Until then peace, love and stay free from suffering.

...and Alan (probably the only one here intelligent enough here to realise it was a game and not jump):
Music is not best of all, Love is best of all.
All you need is love.
S
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Allan Heron on October 03, 2011, 05:17:36 PM

...and Alan (probably the only one here intelligent enough here to realise it was a game and not jump):
Music is not best of all, Love is best of all.
All you need is love.
S

But as David Crosby once sang, Music Is Love.
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Colin Salter on October 03, 2011, 05:35:07 PM
Ah, that's better - blustery day up here in Edinburgh, and I've just been for a good walk down to the Grassmarket to clear my head. But do you know what? I could STILL hear Gavin.
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Rob W on October 03, 2011, 05:38:33 PM
Thanks Gavin for saying I (and others) are not intelligent, or another way of putting it, thick maybe?

Can't quite work out what Allan has said to confirm his superior intelligence (though I readily accept Allan is much more intelligent than me). At least though, you finally have noted my request to "shut the f*ck up". Hopefully anyway.


   
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Lynsey Fookin Buckenham on October 03, 2011, 05:49:10 PM
I could STILL hear Gavin.

Roight now then boy. Is the next loin 'yew would neverr break the chain?' boy?
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Colin Salter on October 03, 2011, 05:51:20 PM
ROFL, Lindsay, ROFL. I swear I will never be able to hear that song again without smiling. That's if I can hear it at all above the ... what's that sound?
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Lynsey Fookin Buckenham on October 03, 2011, 05:57:24 PM
ROFL, Lindsay,

OI! IT SAY LINDSEY ON THE POSTARRRR!

....what's that sound?

Buffalooo Springfield, boy!
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Colin Salter on October 03, 2011, 06:12:30 PM
Hell, sorry Linds E y, looks like I'm determined to piss EVERYONE off today.

Yeah, how does that Buffalo Springfield thing go?
There's battle lines being drawn
Nobody's right if everybody's wrong
Young people speaking their minds
Getting so much resistance from behind
I think it's time we stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
What a field-day for the heat
A thousand people in the street
Singing songs and carrying signs
Mostly say, hooray for our side
It's time we stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you're always afraid
You step out of line, the man come and take you away

Something like that.
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Mike Morgan on October 03, 2011, 06:42:28 PM
I would also like to point out that one of the North of the border contingent is known as 'Allan', not 'Alan'.

17th December.  Me?  I'm happy to shake anyones hand as long as they've washed them after visiting the boys (or girls). room.
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Colin Salter on October 03, 2011, 06:52:23 PM
Unhelpfully, and apropos of nothing in particular, some friends came over from Glasgow to visit with their chidren earlier this year, and we all went to Edinburgh Zoo. When we got to the monkey enclosure, there was a guy there rattling their cages just to provoke a response, just for his own amusement. He thought it was hilarious the way they all jumped, but we all just looked at each other and with one voice muttered, "Wanker." Luckily the children didn't hear us or notice him, and throughly enjoyed their day out.
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Jules on October 03, 2011, 07:04:25 PM
To this end could I suggest to Jules that some sort of Archive member review system (a simple 0 - 5 rating, with say a 20 word comments facility) be tagged onto the Manband core catalogue?  This would relieve Jules of the review burden, and enable visitors to the archive to read a cross section of viewpoints.

Well the facility to add comments is already in place on the Archive discography (you should see the Visitor Reviews box at the top of each article, with options to add or view), but the ratings system isn't. I love the idea so will aim to add a 0-5 bananas rating (per person) with the average being shown in each article header and possibly in the menu too. Please don't hold your breath, but I might just get it done before Deke's next book is published.  ;)   
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Jules on October 03, 2011, 07:11:04 PM
Now locked, so we can move on.
Title: Re: Leamington Spa
Post by: Jules on October 04, 2011, 12:23:23 AM
Unlocked again. Hopefully we can still move on.