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Title: How did you discover Man?
Post by: Barry Island on January 08, 2014, 08:19:46 PM
On a bit of a roll today so curious to know how others discovered the Man band. My introduction came courtesy of my best friend at the time who I shall call Sleek as he was known then. Sleek was a bit better off than most of us - something to do with being the heir to a carpet fortune so was always well sorted with new albums to listen to and he was a really nice guy so was happy to lend them out. Trouble was he wasn't the best at looking after them so it was sometimes difficult to reciprocate. Anyway one day he lent me three or four and amongst them was Man's 3rd album. I was shocked due to the risqué album cover and the immense scratches on both sides. I lived in permanent fear of my mother seeing the cover and being shocked and my father seeing it and confirming his worst fears about the degenerate path I was following. Anyway I popped it on the old Dansette and was immediately transfixed by the variety of sounds on one album - just couldn't believe it and played it constantly - can remember to this day lying in front of the gas fire listening to 'Would the Christians...' over and over again. For me life would never be the same again and I promptly swapped it for my pristine copy of Lizard by King Crimson and never looked back. When was your moment of enlightenment? Oh and Sleek if you are out there somewhere get in touch it would be great to catch up.
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: Colin Salter on January 08, 2014, 08:48:32 PM
When I started at senior school, the boys in the Junior Common Room had a record player and had Greasy Truckers Party on heavy rotation. We weren't allowed into the JCR, but the corridor was filled with Spunk Rock. That was all it took. My first two albums were In Search of Space and Be Good To Yourself, followed by Humble Pie Rockin' The Filmore and Rory Gallagher Live! In Europe and then finally, when I tracked down a copy, Greasy Truckers Party. No turning back!
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: Barry Island on January 08, 2014, 09:00:14 PM
Cracking albums to start off with - Hawkwind were also very popular at the time. Reminds me of the funniest graffiti I ever saw in a toilet cubicle one. Someone had written 'Hawkwind' and then some wag had added a question mark and below added 'No Tandoori Chicken'. You had to be there I guess. Sorry am I deviating again?. I wonder how many hours people have spent in total enjoying the cover to 'Be Good to Yourself' ? Should distribute copies in some of the world's troublespots just to quieten things down in my opinion.
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: joan on January 08, 2014, 09:35:11 PM
I discovered Man in 1986 when I was a big fan of Dire Straits and wanted to listen to other recordings of their drummer.
First LP I bought was "Slow motion" and the second to come was the spanish compilation "Golden hour of man" I think.
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: Barry Island on January 08, 2014, 09:42:22 PM
Nice one Joan. Terry Williams is my favourite all time drummer. What hooked me was the drumming on Spunk Rock on Greasy Truckers. He really seemed to be flying and I just couldn't, and never have got over, how one guy could push a tune along with such amazing effect. Nobody comes close in my opinion. It is no surprise he has always been in demand.
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: Mike Morgan on January 09, 2014, 12:07:03 AM
I was about 15 and my older brother came home from the Patti (I declined it because I wanted to play football in the local park.  We live. We learn!) and he talked about this amazing guitarist who could play spacey solos and sing along with them in perfect tune.  Can't think who that could possibly have been ;D.  Later that year BGTY was released and on the strength of my brother's reccommendation, I asked for it as a Christmas pressie.

It wasn't that I was dissapointed with what I heard, but I'd never heard a sound like it but two or three listens in I was hooked.  Being a local band, a load of people from my school got into them and in no time at all the 'Mananas' smiley face had been painted onto a polystyrene tile and was hanging up on the common room wall.

Tidy!
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: joan on January 09, 2014, 12:52:42 AM
Nice one Joan. Terry Williams is my favourite all time drummer. What hooked me was the drumming on Spunk Rock on Greasy Truckers. He really seemed to be flying and I just couldn't, and never have got over, how one guy could push a tune along with such amazing effect. Nobody comes close in my opinion. It is no surprise he has always been in demand.
The Man vets have known the band since the beginning or almost, and have had the chance to live the evolution in the songs and the changes in the line-ups. How lucky.
Greasy Truckers was one of the last albums for me to get so it's not special for me as it is for all of you. My first live LP was AWTEW and then MD. My favorite Spunk rock is the one in AWTEW and also the one from BITF.
Anyway when I first listened to Greasy Truckers I thought Terry was using a double pedal for the bass drum. Then Terry told me he has never used one so... it's obvious... he's the fastest right foot in the world...

Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: Rob W on January 09, 2014, 11:59:24 AM
 I too was introduced to Man by a close pal.

I had only recently progressed from buying pop singles to my first two LP's, Alice Cooper School's Out and David Bowie Aladdin Sane (and my mum freaked when she saw that cover!). Then he intrduced me to Deep Purple, ed Zep and the usual suspects.

Then one Sunday in 74 (ashamedly, the date which has been etched in my memory, has suddenly gone), he phoned me, aid he was going to a gig, do I want to come with? Too right I did. My first proper gig. Who's the band I asked? Man he said. Who the hell's that I would have said, or words to that effect.

What do I wear for a gig? Didn't have a clue. Nieve or what? I remember I wore a blue denim jacket on which I had felt tipped BURY FC OK on, and I had a bottle green Flowerpot Men tyope hat, which I had brought because Roger Glover had one similar. I probably looked a right t*ss*r (no change there I suppose). And it transpired Glover's hat he wore was nothing like mine anyway. But hey ho,

 So I called into his house early doors, and he put BGTY on for me. Oh Jeez, fine, we'llsee!!!

The gig at The Palace Theatre, M/cr, was sparsely populated, and my only memories of that gig, are of the band, behind the closed curtain, and the crowd, bantering with  each other until the curtains opened; MJ (though I didn't have a clue who he was at the time) on stage right, and a group of girls in the posh seats screaming to him; a bottle of wine being passed along the row of seats I was on which we all had a swig of (f*ck knows what was in it!); and the crowd going to stand at the front for the encore which I think was bananas (must look at Mannerisms again).

Game Set and Match to Man. I was hooked. For those who know me, love of the band and spin off groups, friendships made etc etc the rest is history. 

As for my pal. We both got married, moved areas, and lost touch as can happen. But incredibly, we were introduced back to each other by another pal, late 90's early 2000's. We only now lived about 3 streets apart. Met up, and I took him to a Man gig in Wrexham. It was attended by about 20 punters and a dog. I was so embarrassed. But he loved it, and even joined Deke on the merch stall for a bit.

He sadly died a few years back in tragic circumstances. A great friend, a great bloke, and he played a very major part in the route my life took.

Cheers Clarkey     


       
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: Andrew P on January 09, 2014, 01:31:29 PM
I was asked this question a couple of times over pre-gig drinks at The Brunswick last month. It's early 1973 and I'm already into Hawkwind via a mate's obsession and LP collection, and I'm over at another mate's house of an evening when someone brings in Greasy Truckers and puts the Hawkwind bit on. All very good. Then the Man side goes on, and I'm listening thinking it doesn't sound much like Hawkwind, what's going on? I'm told it's Man, and this is Spunk Rock, their best song. So, where are they from, I say, thinking they are from the USA. Er - they are a Swansea band, is the reply, implying Muppetness on my part. Wow. So the next record on is "Christmas At The Patti" with its £1.43 price label on the cover. What? This band has made a recording a few miles from my home? Gotta listen. Initially a bit disappointed as it's all pub-rock on the first side, which was only just beginning to touch my consciousness, but it grew on me. The only other Man LPs I recall hearing in 1973/4 were BGTY and RWL, but to be brutally honest they didn't make much impression on my teenage mind, certainly nothing like GT had. Then they drifted away from my consciousness and I just lost track of Man until around 1993 when a mate suggested we go see Man at the Patti Pavilion. What? They are still around? Well that gig rekindled my interest and it's been no looking back since then. Living in Swansea I managed to spend a lot of time watching live bands with Man connections - Contraband, Tremblin' Knees, etc., and I even saw Martin Ace playing bass with Cromlech at the Swansea Folk Club around 1979.

First proper gig? Let's discount The Fireflies in 1964 as they were the warm-up act for the municipal fireworks display and I was only 7, but I do remember watching The Bystanders playing at Singleton Park Boating Lake around 1967. No, first real gig, seeing a big name band, was Status Quo at the Top Rank in Swansea in January 1974.
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: Arjayay on January 09, 2014, 03:26:11 PM
I'm another one who was introduced via "Trucker's"
I was already into Hawkwind, influenced by older boys at school, and remembered reading about the Brinsley Schwarz "Hype" although I didn't really know what they sounded like
I saw Truckers advertised in the NME and that it was a limited edition - I only had pocket-money - but here but a double album for £1.50 - cheaper than most single albums
Bought it at "Downtown Records" in Romford, just along from the "South Street, Romford, Shopping Arcade" in Ian Dury's "Razzle in my pocket" and still have this vinyl copy.
My biggest Man related disappointment? Buying the 2007 CD box set of Truckers and finding that, having waited 35 years to hear the beginning of Spunk Rock, it wasn't on there 
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: Mark Oakley on January 09, 2014, 04:17:14 PM
I can't remember if I'm honest...but think it was either thru hearing the GT version of Spunk Rock at a mate's house in Stalybridge (which prompted the swap for Genesis Live mentioned on the 'regreattable sales' thread)...or thru purchasing BGTY purely on the strength of the fabulous cover and fold-out map. Those were certainly my first two Man albums anyway.
Saw them five years in succession in Manchester in the 70s...including the Cippolina tour...with Deke seemingly appearing on alternate occasions. Back then I preferred the sans Deke line-ups...which always seemed more psychedelic somehow. Post the mid-90s, when I finally realised they were back together and still touring, I was happy with any line-up. It was the Star Club live CD which really rejuvenated my passion. Still my favourite I think...save for the dreadful 'Something In My Heart..."
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: Mike Morgan on January 09, 2014, 04:29:12 PM

My biggest Man related disappointment? Buying the 2007 CD box set of Truckers and finding that, having waited 35 years to hear the beginning of Spunk Rock, it wasn't on there

RJ,  If I remember correctly, I read that the tapeing (how the hell is that spelt?  I've tried a few options and none of them look right) hadn't started from the beginning, so it's just not available rather than left out.  A work of flawed genius!
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: rockprof on January 09, 2014, 04:38:18 PM
From a chap at school in 1974. Heard C'mon from BITF and that was that.
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: Rob W on January 09, 2014, 05:29:26 PM
From a chap at school in 1974. Heard C'mon from BITF and that was that.

Less is more.

 Not that I'd know anything about that 

::)
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: Ade Angove on January 09, 2014, 05:42:52 PM
I have been there since the beginning ... my band from Penarth in the late 1960s (Stone Idol) gigged all over Wales ... if the time was right we would stop in Swansea for an egg and chips at a late night greasy spoon caff that stayed open for bands until about 3am ... every table was full of musicians and we often bumped into The Bystanders on their way back to Merthyr, or Silence (Mott the Hoople) heading back to Hereford.

We also supported Dream on dozens of occasions and knew Deke, Martin, Terry and Wes well. We heard the rumours on the grapevine that the Bystanders were metamorphising into Man and I caught about their second or third ever gig ... we were in the audience at Langland Bay when the album was recorded ... and I was front and centre at the Paget Rooms when that album was recorded.

When a later band of mine (Spike) was touring Switzerland and Germany in 1971 we criss crossed and bumped into the Manband several times in Zurich and Munich and hung out with the boys. The last version of my band (glam rockers Ingroville) supported Man on at least a dozen occasions.

When I joined the real world and became an RAF officer I lost track of Man and didn't rediscover them until 1993 when I saw them play twice at the Axe and Cleaver, Boston, in Scunthorpe and several times at the 100 Club, London. Man has provided the soundtrack to my life.
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: Rob W on January 09, 2014, 05:44:17 PM
I can't remember if I'm honest...but think it was either thru hearing the GT version of Spunk Rock at a mate's house in Stalybridge (which prompted the swap for Genesis Live mentioned on the 'regreattable sales' thread)...or thru purchasing BGTY purely on the strength of the fabulous cover and fold-out map. Those were certainly my first two Man albums anyway.
Saw them five years in succession in Manchester in the 70s...including the Cippolina tour...with Deke seemingly appearing on alternate occasions. Back then I preferred the sans Deke line-ups...which always seemed more psychedelic somehow. Post the mid-90s, when I finally realised they were back together and still touring, I was happy with any line-up. It was the Star Club live CD which really rejuvenated my passion. Still my favourite I think...save for the dreadful 'Something In My Heart..."

Oakers, have we discussed your Man gigs in M/cr during the 70's? Can't believe why we haven't.

Subject of a future telecon (telecon - more company speak!) perhaps?

If you saw Man pre 74 in M/cr, I've got to know about it!

NB: 1976 farewell tour - the Man gig was in Salford. NOT M/cr. Both are separate identities, don't dare say M/cr for Salford. (Interestingly, both are part of the relatively new county of 'Greater Bury',  as formulated by a bloke in the vilage of Clydach, South Wales of all places).
   
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: Mark Oakley on January 09, 2014, 06:48:06 PM
I know you were also at the Cippolina show in the FTH...and know I saw at least one other in the same venue...but my memory is too vague re' the others. Might have been four rather than five too, come to think of it! Must have been at that Palace gig though, where - incidentally - I also saw one of the worst shows I've ever seen...Greg Allman and Cher. Dreadful! And 'Men At Work' which ws great...and 'Genesis'...and 'Steve Hackett'...and, er...memory lapse...the 2,4,6.8 Motorway blokey...and Feelgood, among others.
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: Rob W on January 09, 2014, 07:47:59 PM
I know you were also at the Cippolina show in the FTH...and know I saw at least one other in the same venue...but my memory is too vague re' the others. Might have been four rather than five too, come to think of it! Must have been at that Palace gig though, where - incidentally - I also saw one of the worst shows I've ever seen...Greg Allman and Cher. Dreadful! And 'Men At Work' which ws great...and 'Genesis'...and 'Steve Hackett'...and, er...memory lapse...the 2,4,6.8 Motorway blokey...and Feelgood, among others.

Oakers... I hope you weren't the bloke in the audience who flicked a fag at that folk type singer, hit him on the forehead, and he walked off stage???  :o
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: akko on January 09, 2014, 11:17:13 PM
I reckon my elder brother introduced me to Man in 1972 when he bought BGTY. I was fifteen and still at school and of course had no money for lp's and relied on my brother to hear all these bands who were never on Top Of The Pops. Earlier that year he had bought me my first ever lp. Thank Christ for The Bomb by The Groundhogs for my birthday and then Saturday Morning Pictures by Stray for Christmas. But it was Man who became my favourites and over the years I've bought most of their work.

I got to see them a couple of times in Coventry during the 1970's, most memorably when Deke was out of the band but Iceberg were the support band and was on stage for the encores. During the 80's, marriage and children took centre stage in my life and once again there was no money for records. Time moved on and I got to see Man again during the 2000's. Once at Coventry Cathedral area with another of my favourites, Caravan. Once during the monsoon season at Caldicott supporting The Australian Pink Floyd and then a couple of years ago at Leamington Spa on The Hawkwind all dayer. Great memories, but alas, I don't think I'll see them again. Oh well, I've still got the cd's to remind me just how good they were.
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: Rob W on January 09, 2014, 11:44:25 PM
Man at Coventry Cathedral...

May I refer you to Cooler Shaker's report of the gig in the following TWC?

Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: akko on January 10, 2014, 12:27:38 AM
You may Rob. I never subscribed to TWC, but I think you referred to that gig a couple of years ago and the review wasn't very favourable. I enjoyed the afternoon though. A bank holiday. A great setting. A few beers and two of my favourite bands. I even took along my copies of Deke,s books for autographing not knowing he wasn't in the band anymore. Doh!
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: Davey on January 10, 2014, 02:14:16 AM
...i first heard about Man when i was a teenager of about 15 or 16...this would have been about '85/'86...i was hanging out with my friend Maizie...we went over to her friend Martha's house in wellesley, massachusetts. Martha's older sister Minna was there.she had a late 70s rock encyclopedia that she had cut up a little bit...some pictures of somebody's favorite groups were missing...i was perusing the book...she said i could have it.she was rather attractive and i was happy she gifted me ...back in the days for fun,a few friends of mine and i would cover our walls in collage: magazines,posters,art,photography, inner sleeve pictures from interesting looking records etc.we had multiple walls covered...this is what i was going to use the book for...but then i got to reading it... i enjoyed it so didn't use it for collage, and would read it from time to time over the years... i bought Slow Motion about 10 or more years later, after reading about Man a few times...i thought there was some good stuff on there,but i didn't buy another album for quite some time...the next one i bought remains my favorite which is Rhinos,Winos,and Lunatics... after another long delay i got Revelation...the pattern continued over a good long period of time...one time i was walking out of the video store and i saw a copy of the Roundhouse movie.that blew me away.when i was first watching that,if the phone rang i did not want to answer. that movie, and Deke's RWL book pushed me over the edge in terms of being a full blown fan;of considering them among the greatest of all time, pound for pound...on behalf of those who never got to see Man live,i do hope there is more vintage footage of the band to see someday...peace&cheers...
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: rockprof on January 10, 2014, 03:34:09 AM
See where you're coming from Davey, and we all thinking the same, 'why isn't this band enormous?' But we can only guess at the 'what ifs?'
What if Man had become a mega stadium band? They sure as F deserved it, but would we all be here now writing the stuff we do? I somehow doubt it. There were winners and losers in the story, and I'm still not quite sure who was who!
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: Barry Island on January 10, 2014, 11:33:43 AM
I reckon my elder brother introduced me to Man in 1972 when he bought BGTY. I was fifteen and still at school and of course had no money for lp's and relied on my brother to hear all these bands who were never on Top Of The Pops. Earlier that year he had bought me my first ever lp. Thank Christ for The Bomb by The Groundhogs for my birthday and then Saturday Morning Pictures by Stray for Christmas. But it was Man who became my favourites and over the years I've bought most of their work.

What a great older brother. Re the Groundhogs - never saw them until 2012 despite being a great admirer and they turned up on the bill at Farmer Phil's Festival. Didn't expect much but they were superb and really enjoyed them. Tony McPhee had a stroke at some stage and this affected his singing so they had an excellent lady on lead vocals . His superb guitar work was unaffected and I got to say hello after their set and got his autograph. Great gig and great band. Incidentally apparently 2013 was the 50th anniversary of the Groundhogs - awesome stat isn't it - and I meant to check out if they did any gigs last year to celebrate. Anyone know if they played last year?
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: Rob W on January 10, 2014, 01:32:15 PM
I reckon my elder brother introduced me to Man in 1972 when he bought BGTY. I was fifteen and still at school and of course had no money for lp's and relied on my brother to hear all these bands who were never on Top Of The Pops. Earlier that year he had bought me my first ever lp. Thank Christ for The Bomb by The Groundhogs for my birthday and then Saturday Morning Pictures by Stray for Christmas. But it was Man who became my favourites and over the years I've bought most of their work.

What a great older brother. Re the Groundhogs - never saw them until 2012 despite being a great admirer and they turned up on the bill at Farmer Phil's Festival. Didn't expect much but they were superb and really enjoyed them. Tony McPhee had a stroke at some stage and this affected his singing so they had an excellent lady on lead vocals . His superb guitar work was unaffected and I got to say hello after their set and got his autograph. Great gig and great band. Incidentally apparently 2013 was the 50th anniversary of the Groundhogs - awesome stat isn't it - and I meant to check out if they did any gigs last year to celebrate. Anyone know if they played last year?

Talking of elder brothers... It's a shame you joined this MB mullarkey a bit late. I've made a few references to my elder brother. In Partickular (I think that one will stick), I have bemoaned the fact that his tase in music did not progress from Sparks and Gary Glitter,  until Gazzer's misdemeanour's, therefore, in 1973 or so, when he should have been discovering Man and the like, and passing  onto me, he didn't. Therefore I missed the Tweke days which to quote Deke Leonard ' I'd have given my left bollock for'. And in this thread, my evil thoughts towards said brother hav been proved founded.

And the celebrated first Jolly Boys Outing ever for the Man Boarders in 1999 at the Xmas gig. Probably my finest hour. I brought my dictaphone (why I can't use my fingers like everybody else - boom boom) and taped not only the gig, but much more importantly, I resecretly taped  our conversations in the pub when we first met each other, and so on. Priceless! Took numerous orders to copy the tapes for all and sundry. That very same Gary Glitter/Sparks wannabe, kindly offered to do these for me on his wizz bang wallop machine...... And promptly scrubbed it all in error apart from blummin' Romain and 'The Raffle' (as in the raffle, not a song title).     

 ;D
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: Mark Oakley on January 10, 2014, 01:47:38 PM
my first ever lp. Thank Christ for The Bomb by The Groundhogs... another of my favourites, Caravan...

Back in the day 'Thank Christ..' and 'Split' were among my favourite possessions. I remember spending a whole afternoon (at some outdoor pursuit centre in the North Yorkshire Moors which a teacher mate had seconded for a weekend for a bunch of us) playing Split over and over again in a weed-induced state of pure ecstacy. And of equal ranking in my modest record collection were Caravan's 'Grey & Pink' and 'Waterloon Lily,' - the latter being a much-underrated gem imho. Not only that Akko...but it seems we're the same age and have been leading strangely parallel lives. Not a Genesis, Yes, Back Door, Babe Ruth fan aswell are you by any chance?
That trance-like euphoria with Split was attained on only one other occasion...with the help of more weed, and Ian Dury's 'Dance of The Screamers.'
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: Arjayay on January 10, 2014, 02:18:16 PM
2013 was the 50th anniversary of the Groundhogs - awesome stat isn't it - and I meant to check out if they did any gigs last year to celebrate. Anyone know if they played last year?
Google searches show they played York and Leicester in June, High Wycombe in September and the Wreakin in December - probably others, but I cannot find one centralised list.
If you liked the heavier side of the Groundhogs, it is definitely worth seeing  "Egypt" a power trio of  ex "Hogs": Peter Correa - drums, Eric Chipulina - guitars/vocals and Alan Fish - bass/vocals gs, (also ex Tredegar) - Wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt_(band) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt_(band))
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: Stephen Merchant on January 10, 2014, 05:28:14 PM
In reply to Barry Island I can confirm that The Groundhogs reconvened for a gig on the 9th of December at the Wrekin Inn pub in Wellington, Shropshire, which is where Tony and Joanna host an open mic every Tuesday for anyone keen to express themselves through the medium of music. Sadly it's true Tony has seen better health but he'll forever be the lead guitar player in a band that was once supported by the Rolling Stones, technically correct and not a bad one for the CV!
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: Michael Heatley on January 10, 2014, 06:56:57 PM
Can I just say I have enjoyed this thread more than any in years?  ;D :D

M
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: Barry Island on January 10, 2014, 07:35:34 PM
2013 was the 50th anniversary of the Groundhogs - awesome stat isn't it - and I meant to check out if they did any gigs last year to celebrate. Anyone know if they played last year?
Google searches show they played York and Leicester in June, High Wycombe in September and the Wreakin in December - probably others, but I cannot find one centralised list.
If you liked the heavier side of the Groundhogs, it is definitely worth seeing  "Egypt" a power trio of  ex "Hogs": Peter Correa - drums, Eric Chipulina - guitars/vocals and Alan Fish - bass/vocals gs, (also ex Tredegar) - Wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt_(band) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt_(band))
Lawks! - Tredegar now there's a band and a place. A very old schoolmate of mine was a roadie for Budgie in the early days and when Ray Philips left to form Woman he followed. Once on a visit to Tredegar I walked into my mates tiny miners cottage and Ray's double kit, lovely and silvery, was set up and near enough took up half the room. Had the privilege of sitting behind it but didn't dare bash a drum. Tredegar followed Woman I believe.
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: Barry Island on January 10, 2014, 07:38:38 PM
my first ever lp. Thank Christ for The Bomb by The Groundhogs... another of my favourites, Caravan...

Back in the day 'Thank Christ..' and 'Split' were among my favourite possessions. I remember spending a whole afternoon (at some outdoor pursuit centre in the North Yorkshire Moors which a teacher mate had seconded for a weekend for a bunch of us) playing Split over and over again in a weed-induced state of pure ecstacy. And of equal ranking in my modest record collection were Caravan's 'Grey & Pink' and 'Waterloon Lily,' - the latter being a much-underrated gem imho. Not only that Akko...but it seems we're the same age and have been leading strangely parallel lives. Not a Genesis, Yes, Back Door, Babe Ruth fan aswell are you by any chance?
That trance-like euphoria with Split was attained on only one other occasion...with the help of more weed, and Ian Dury's 'Dance of The Screamers.'

Yay Back Door - love them! Caravan are playing down here soon but the line up only seems to have Pye Hastings in it from the originals. Worth spending my hard earned money on? Apologies for the deviation.
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: Pete T on January 10, 2014, 09:00:24 PM
Can I just say I have enjoyed this thread more than any in years?  ;D :D

M

..Quick, change the subject!!..

My first memories of Man were at a mate's house, like so many of these tales. It was an old house, and the kitchen was joined onto the rest of the house by a conservatory. So as you came out of the kitchen, into the conservatory, you turned immediately to the right to get into the main house.

The conservatory was the hang-out for the gang, half a dozen of us, smoking, and sharing music collections. The record player was in one corner, a couple of settees, a heap of records, and a bin that we tried to fill with dog-ends..

There was Purple, and Sabbath, Zepplin, Quo, Genesis (?), Hawkwind, Budgie, Gong, and Man. (There were probably more, Montrose, SAHB, but I forget).

Tim had a Suzuki 250 and, in turn, would take one of us to nearby Cheltenham and gigs in the Town Hall, and I guess I was lucky because I always seemed to hit the Man gigs. Easier later when we all had our own bikes.. That was it, 4 gigs in the Town Hall between 72 and the 76 farewell.

Then in 1992, I heard of a gig in the Town and Country Club, Kentish Town. Man were playing AGAIN. There was some other riff-raff that night too, was it Wishbone Ash and Ten Years After? The box office were a little confused when I asked for Man tickets, wondered whether it was TYA I wanted to see.

I think this was the gig when Gill spoke to Martin Ace, and told him I was their biggest fan.. Gave rise to the one liner "My husbands your biggest fan, and last time he saw you, you were black"!!..

Haven't we done this before?..
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: John Bannon on January 10, 2014, 10:36:47 PM
I used to attend Croesyceiliog  school youth club in Cwmbran in the mid to late 60's and every Friday evening they had a school dance. The Bystanders played there on numerous occasions, along with the likes of Amen Corner and my favourites at the time Kimla Taz who seemed to be there every other week being based locally in Cardiff, Tich Gwilym was a superb guitarist, the whole group never failed to give anything but their best and were much appreciated by the whole audience. I honestly thought they would go on to greater things, all that survives of their music is the six track CD issued out of Japan, if you get the chance to listen to it; the live tracks will show you exactly the type of atmosphere they created. If anybody has any recorded material by Kimla Taz no matter how rough it would be much appreciated by this manboarder.
I must point out here that school dances back then were not low key affairs I think the venues were the precursor for many groups before they went onto the university circuit or became famous.  The local secondary school at Coed Eva had The Who at their School dance and yes they did the whole shebang wrecking all their equipment at the end of the show, sadly I didn't make it to that concert.....must have impressed the teachers at the time.
Back to Creoesyceiliog, one week at the youth club the rumour went round that a group were coming all the way from Swansea for Friday nights dance. Now back in the 60's that was unknown. Before the M4 motorway, Swansea was a trek and a half, if you went on holiday to Tenby it was a full days journey. The night came and a band called The Dream came on stage and they played a few standard numbers at the time and as the evening progressed ventured into more psychedelic stuff. I distinctly remember Martin with a children's toy on a long stick that made a noise that added effects on one of the numbers I think it might have been I am the Walrus and also Deke was making those seagull sounds on his guitar way before he did it with Man, we all thought it was on a backing tape at the time. The one distinct thing I remember about that night nobody danced, we all huddled round the front of the stage and listened in awe at the group. Little did I know at the time this is how all music would be appreciated over the coming years.
Again if anyone has any recordings by The Dream no matter how rough please share them, I don't think any music survives by them.
Although I'm mentioning groups that are well known to us now the must see group at the time in my area of S.Wales were the Eyes of Blue and they were big. I did see them but I can't remember where, it would have been Cwmbran or Newport, I didn't venture any further at the time. I remember the vocals and harmonising mainly and the hall we were in being packed, I also remember them as being advertised as a mod group when for me and my mates that time had passed and we all on our way to becoming long haired weekend hippy's.
My first brush with Man came on a Saturday afternoon when my mates and I would spend our time in Cwmbran Town Centre sharing our time between the Wimpy Bar and the record booths in Boots where we knew the girl on the record counter very well. She didn't mind us listening to the same records over and over again and not buying anything (we couldn't afford it). One of those records was 2oz of Plastic with a hole in the middle (most probably the best title to an album ever). We didn't even know of the existence of Revelation at that time and I'm guessing that would be the same for most people. We must have played that album hundreds of times and for me that's where the fix was in, I was hooked and have spent a lifetime of addiction, I mean this group were speaking my language and playing riffs that resonated with my heart and my head, this was my group and they were doing this just for me and that feeling has never left me.
I do feel sorry for the person that bought that record eventually....it must have been worn out.
As we grew older we used to frequent three main places, Barry Memorial Hall, Cardiff University and of course The Paget Rooms where you would have to take the obligatory  tab of acid before being allowed entry. Between these three venues we seen a myriad of the best groups at the time. I only managed to see Man twice in the early 70's once at the Paget Rooms and once at the Top Rank in Cardiff where for the first time I drank out of a plastic glass. I can't remember which time it was but at the end of the gig they set off a siren that would have woken the dead and deafened them at the same time.
Man have followed the timeline of my life, they split up in the year I married and my association with music ended and the moment I signed the divorce papers they reformed. Could a group do more for one person... I think not.   
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: Barry Island on January 10, 2014, 10:56:16 PM
Top reading John. Did you by any chance ever see a band called Good Habit at the Paget Rooms?
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: rockprof on January 11, 2014, 12:14:38 AM
From a chap at school in 1974. Heard C'mon from BITF and that was that.

Less is more.

 Not that I'd know anything about that 

::)

OK. Going with the theme then, the first Man gig. May 23, 1975, Birmingham town hall. Bought 2 tickets from the box office, £1.10 each, a few weeks before the show. Going with a mate from school, but the ground floor seats were sold out, so we could only get balcony. And all our other mates with ground floor tickets. Went into the 'Railway' bar behind the Midland hotel pre show for a bevvy, one of the few places in Quaker city where teens could buy a beer.
But back at the Town Hall, down in the bogs, there were roaches in the urinal and the place stank of dope. Cadged a toke off a bloke having a piss, then headed for the balcony and 'the flying aces'. Not what was expected, but the O band livened things up considerably. Then time for the main act.
Up in the balcony was not the best place to be. Having met our mates with the ground floor seats between sets, we were anxious to join them. Unfortunately a pair of bouncers were on the door downstairs, past which we had already unsuccessfully tried to skirt. So up in the balcony we were, as the lights dimmed, and a deep humming emanated from the stage. It was almost pitch black, then I saw movement on the stage and said to my mate..."F this, we're going downstairs!" So at that we tore off. Out the exit door, helter skelter down the stairs, to face the now unguarded doors of the lower auditorium. The humming had intensified to a deep throb, and various guitar noises had started to warble as we burst through the doors, charged down the gangway towards the stage, and the whole place lit up to a massive blast of noise. 7171551 had begun. And there was no going back....
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: akko on January 11, 2014, 12:42:37 AM
Agree with you there Michael about what a good topic this is. Even though the thread is mutating to include other bands, I think that the subject is bringing out the storyteller in all of us. A lot of our fondest memories are from our teenage years. Keep those posts coming everyone.Make us all smile.

Anyway Oakers. The first lp I bought with my hard earned pocket money way back in 1972/3 was Nursery Cryme and I was a massive fan of Genesis, probably up until Steve Hackett left. I loved Babe Ruth. Yes? Fragile and Close to the Edge were damn fine records but never heard of Back Door. Now we both seem to like Riverside and Crippled Black Phoenix.Spooky stuff Oakers.

And what about Vinegar Joe? Saw them live at the Lanchester Poly in Coventry  back then in '72/73. There I was .17 years old, and right at the front of the stage and Elkie Brooks was in full flow, gyrating and strutting her stuff just three or four feet away from me. By the end of the gig I was a drooling, gibbering mess. What a gig. What a woman. God. I was in love for weeks.



Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: akko on January 11, 2014, 12:58:58 AM
Yes Barry. Caravan will be worth every penny. Most of the band have been there for years. Absolute top notch and new songs to play from their new record. Bloody jealous.
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: Ade Angove on January 11, 2014, 01:58:23 AM
Top reading John. Did you by any chance ever see a band called Good Habit at the Paget Rooms?

Oddly enough I bumped into three ex-members of Good Habit at a gig in the Albion pub the last time I was down in Penarth - guitarist Willy Blackmore, bassist David Land and tenor saxophonist John Roberts
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: Barry Island on January 11, 2014, 03:22:25 AM
Agree with you there Michael about what a good topic this is. Even though the thread is mutating to include other bands, I think that the subject is bringing out the storyteller in all of us. A lot of our fondest memories are from our teenage years. Keep those posts coming everyone.Make us all smile.

Anyway Oakers. The first lp I bought with my hard earned pocket money way back in 1972/3 was Nursery Cryme and I was a massive fan of Genesis, probably up until Steve Hackett left. I loved Babe Ruth. Yes? Fragile and Close to the Edge were damn fine records but never heard of Back Door. Now we both seem to like Riverside and Crippled Black Phoenix.Spooky stuff Oakers.

And what about Vinegar Joe? Saw them live at the Lanchester Poly in Coventry  back then in '72/73. There I was .17 years old, and right at the front of the stage and Elkie Brooks was in full flow, gyrating and strutting her stuff just three or four feet away from me. By the end of the gig I was a drooling, gibbering mess. What a gig. What a woman. God. I was in love for weeks.

Hey Akko - saw some great budget tours at the Top Rank in Cardiff in the early days - including the Harvestmobile tour 50p for Spontaneous Combustion, Babe Ruth featuring Jenny Haan - the hottest 'chick' I had ever seen on stage, Kevin Ayers with Steve Hillage and Mike Oldfield in the band followed by the headliners Wizzard with two massive red drum kits.

Also saw Lindisfarne with ...wait for it Genesis supporting. They only did four numbers but Peter Gabriel had a partly shaved head, appeared in a foxes head and red evening dress and drove the crowd into a frenzy when he sang 'I'm just a lawnmower you can tell me by the way I walk' and then proceeded to push an imaginary lawnmower across the stage. They all looked down form the balcony when Lindisfarne were on and got a massive cheer.

Picture of Jenny Haan attached.
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: Barry Island on January 11, 2014, 03:26:57 AM
Got a 7 inch single by Good Habit somewhere - they were a cracking live band - had a brass section which was unusual back in the day. Saw them supporting the Pretty Things at Llandaff Tech. - had my heart broken as the potential love of my life was standing in front with another guy but the Habit cheered me up no end. For those that don't know they all appeared on stage in monk's habits and knocked out some cracking tunes ;D
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: Mike Morgan on January 11, 2014, 03:57:32 AM
Good Habit. Did they not become Racing Cars?
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: Campbell on January 11, 2014, 09:29:50 AM
my first ever lp. Thank Christ for The Bomb by The Groundhogs... another of my favourites, Caravan...

Back in the day 'Thank Christ..' and 'Split' were among my favourite possessions. I remember spending a whole afternoon (at some outdoor pursuit centre in the North Yorkshire Moors which a teacher mate had seconded for a weekend for a bunch of us) playing Split over and over again in a weed-induced state of pure ecstacy. And of equal ranking in my modest record collection were Caravan's 'Grey & Pink' and 'Waterloon Lily,' - the latter being a much-underrated gem imho. Not only that Akko...but it seems we're the same age and have been leading strangely parallel lives. Not a Genesis, Yes, Back Door, Babe Ruth fan aswell are you by any chance?
That trance-like euphoria with Split was attained on only one other occasion...with the help of more weed, and Ian Dury's 'Dance of The Screamers.'

Yay Back Door - love them! Caravan are playing down here soon but the line up only seems to have Pye Hastings in it from the originals. Worth spending my hard earned money on? Apologies for the deviation.
Caravan are an excellent live band,I have seen them 3 times last time was in Holland about 7 or 8 years ago,it's still pretty much the same line up as each time I have seen them.Extremely talented musicians.
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: Arjayay on January 11, 2014, 02:17:34 PM
Good Habit. Did they not become Racing Cars?
Yes they did, as stated here http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/music/sites/racing-cars/pages/biography.shtml (http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/music/sites/racing-cars/pages/biography.shtml)
I saw Good Habit four or five times in Essex, in the early 70's, and particularly recall their (extremely) extended jam on the Doobie Brothers "Long Train Runnin' "
They seemed to be on the same circuit as the Global Village Trucking Company (featuring John McKenzie) often appearing the week before, or the week after
 
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: John Bannon on January 11, 2014, 02:54:38 PM
Top reading John. Did you by any chance ever see a band called Good Habit at the Paget Rooms?
I don't recall seeing a band with habits on, I'm sure I'd remember that even after 40yrs. A group I do recollect with a brass section were The Savoy Brown Cabbage Cat Band.....now that's a name you don't forget.
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: Ade Angove on January 11, 2014, 03:40:41 PM
Good Habit. Did they not become Racing Cars?
Yes they did, as stated here http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/music/sites/racing-cars/pages/biography.shtml (http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/music/sites/racing-cars/pages/biography.shtml)
 

Well that is not totally accurate ... only Morty, Graham Williams and David Land joined with others to form Racing Cars, when Good Habit disbanded ... the other four members of Good Habit went their separate ways. Good Habit broke up mainly because their backer, mentor and manager withdrew his financial support and their record company cancelled the contract.
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: Rob W on January 11, 2014, 03:41:27 PM

And what about Vinegar Joe? Saw them live at the Lanchester Poly in Coventry  back then in '72/73. There I was .17 years old, and right at the front of the stage and Elkie Brooks was in full flow, gyrating and strutting her stuff just three or four feet away from me. By the end of the gig I was a drooling, gibbering mess. What a gig. What a woman. God. I was in love for weeks.

Elaine Bookbinder? Many years ago I could have put a word in for you. The family bakery shop 'Bookbinder's', was just around the corner from my home. Used to pop in on a Sunday morning for bagels, smoked salmon, chopped herring and cream cheese. Lovely family.
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: Barry Island on January 11, 2014, 04:06:46 PM
Good Habit. Did they not become Racing Cars?
Yes they did, as stated here http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/music/sites/racing-cars/pages/biography.shtml (http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/music/sites/racing-cars/pages/biography.shtml)
I saw Good Habit four or five times in Essex, in the early 70's, and particularly recall their (extremely) extended jam on the Doobie Brothers "Long Train Runnin' "
They seemed to be on the same circuit as the Global Village Trucking Company (featuring John McKenzie) often appearing the week before, or the week after
Excellent - thanks for this, really interesting. Saw Racing Cars with Budgie out on an estate in Cardiff in some conference hall type place and I think it was filmed  under a heading 'Best of Welsh Music' or something. Seem to remember Morty balancing a chair on his forehead/nose or summat during their set. There were other bands on as well - Pino Palladino played bass for one of them but cannot recall any band names. REF earlier post re Kimla Taz - never saw them but they were still gigging around Cardiff in the 70s or at least someone was using that name.
 
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: helena on January 11, 2014, 08:09:52 PM
According to my card records KAMIKAZE was the 45th LP I bought, hotly followed at 47 by Iceberg and Rhinos at 49. Clearly I was smitten in a teenage flash! I am pretty sure I would have heard Deke in session on John Peel, followed up with the latest LP purchase and hence got into Man. Saw them in Leeds (Town Hall) in 73 with Iceberg supporting and 74 (Uni) with Deke (if my memory serves me well). We had all the class bands in Leeds between 72-76 when I was (hurrumph) 14-18. Who knows where the time goes? I know this is controversial, but I always preferred Man with Deke as I felt he gave them direction. He might not concur! I have always had Deke's albums on my turntable in the intervening years and only rediscovered MAN when digitising my vinyl 5 years ago or so. Very glad I did!
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: Jules on January 12, 2014, 02:21:53 AM
Through Steve Horsley, my sister's boyfriend de jour. They'd been to see Man at the Town Hall in Watford, January '73, and Steve left BGTYALOAD at our house to further my education. I soaked it up like a sponge that hadn't seen water for a hundred years. He didn't get the album back until June, after I'd blagged a personal copy for my birthday in late May. By that time I knew every note back to front, had pored over the map of Wales and the family jungle until it felt like I'd grown up in Swansea and had become entangled in the jungle. It was the second album I obtained, but the first I ordered (from Strawberry Fields in Rickmansworth, long since defunct). The first album to arrive was ELP's Trilogy, also prompted by Steve. I'd have to credit him further with my liking for Stray, Pink Floyd, Genesis, Alice Cooper, Renaissance, John Martyn.

Like others have mentioned earlier, I can trace just about every significant event in my subsequent life to hearing Man. Usually no more than two or three degrees of separation. One stand out occasion was a late night at school after the play (The Crucible as I recall) was over and the audience and company had left. The PA had been left on, so I played BGTYALOAD over that in a darkened hall to just my girlfriend of the time and I. Oh how I yearn sometimes to be fifteen again and know what I know now.

First show I got to was October '73 on the Up For The Day Tour. There was never going to be any turning back after that. Then '75 and the Sunday Maximum Darkness gig at the Roundhouse. Then 1st April '76 in Watford again and (not quite) ultimately at the Fulcrum in Slough, December '76. Plenty of joy left my world that night. So, at the time, three years, seven albums and four gigs.

Moved Northwards to Leeds in the early Eighties and had become dis-enamoured with the music scene so wasn't aware that they'd reformed in '83.  On a day out in Porthmadoc, April '83 I spotted Friday 13th in the racks at Cob Records. Snaffled that up! Another thing I wasn't aware of was the emergence of The Welsh Connection, which was a damned shame. So nothing then until the early Nineties, when by chance I saw a poster in Leeds for Man at the Duchess of York (a venue chiefly remembered for its gloriously sticky carpets). I'd missed the gig by a week, but managed to catch every subsequent one over the next few years.

A gig at Finchley's Torrington Arms in '99 marked a sea change. Instead of waiting for the band to come to me, I was now willing and able to return the favour and travel to see them. I've lost count of how many gigs I've seen over the years now but will always know that there's room for another on the list.
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: Barry Island on January 12, 2014, 04:18:17 AM
Hey Jules - COB Records!!! Always used to see their ads in the music papers and a couple of years ago when on holiday on a baking hot day we were in Porthmadoc and suddenly saw the shop evoking all sorts of memories. Seemed to have been hit by the recent changes in technology but had a brilliant browse and ended up buying a Kevin Ayers 4 CD set - nothing new elsewhere but a real trip down memory lane. Long may they reign!!!
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: Pete T on January 12, 2014, 09:16:23 PM
..Ha, Cob records. How trendy was I, carrying my folders to school in a Cob Records bag!!..
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: Arjayay on January 13, 2014, 11:20:36 AM
..Ha, Cob records. How trendy was I, carrying my folders to school in a Cob Records bag!!..
I remember scrounging trendy record bags, and carrying them around school with my latest album (probably bought from Boots or Woolies) in, so people would have to ask what was in the bag
We also used to carry several of the latest "in" albums around, to show which "tribe" we were with. and how cool we were - often weren't played for days - just carried around
I also caught two friends of mine swapping a T Rex and a 10CC album, which they had been carrying around in Floyd and Led Zep sleeves, as they were too embarrassed 
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: Mark Oakley on January 13, 2014, 06:56:10 PM
Digressing again. I remember Vinegar Joe being the fulcrum of what at the time seemed to be a very good one-off TV drama...but apart from a 'band' being pretty central to the storyline I can't remember a great deal else about it. Can anyone offer any enlightenment?
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: Jon M on January 13, 2014, 07:55:00 PM
How did I discover Man?
[I think] It was April 73 and I was sitting in the front room of Martin Neep’s parent’s house, he was a school friend who had moved from Watford to Canterbury. He played me two lps, BGTY and then something by Gentle Giant ; I liked the first very quickly and then went to see Man at Watford Townhall in November 1973, a very cold clear evening, with school friends, including John Lee. I never looked back and still have all the studio lps although i did sell a few in the 80s as my taste changed, such as discovering the 3 Mustapha 3, but subsequently bought them all back. I took some photographs of the band at the Roundhouse in 76 when Dave Edmunds came on stage to jam with Ken Whaley watching from the back of the stage ; I have the negatives somewhere. I never got Gentle Giant, despite plenty of attempts.


The King Crimson discussion – I would start with Lizard and Islands as they are best and most lively of the albums.

Back to the start with the first lp, the big one, but to me ‘In the court of’  is still momentous and also very repetitious and there are only so many repeats of the chorus to the title song that i can take. The best part is Mike Giles drumming. On to the second,  ’Wake of Poseidon’ which sounds largely like leftovers of the first but it does have Keith Tippett’s piano playing to lift the mood. If you want to hear the early stuff try the 21Century Schizoid band which did some very good performances of the early material a few year back. Also worth a listen are  the Giles, Giles & Fripp and McDonald & Giles cds.

In the middle are Lizard and Islands, one made by a band that never toured and the second by a band that managed to tour a little before falling coming apart. Lizard is the more formal and arranged yet with a jazzy feeling, perhaps as Fripp had been working Keith Tippett on Septober Energy, big band jazz psychedelia, and brought Marc Charig and Nick Evans with him. It is also full of ideas and great arranging, a real joy. Islands is rockier but freer, still with Tippett and Charig. Side 1 has Formentara Lady into Sailor’s Tale which is magnificent ; the first builds the atmosphere and second delivers with some of the best KC mellotron and the best (the only?) RF freak out on guitar.

The run of Larks Tongues/Starless/Red is also brilliant with a band at full potential and increasingly muscular, even relentless, culminating in the sheer noise of Red, no wonder David Cross on violin left. Larks starts where Islands left off, a lighter jazzier feel that departed when Jamie Muir left early on. From then onward band remained combined improvisation with hard rock in a way no one has ever done. It is extra-ordinary music and very listenable, well worth getting all three albums.
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: Barry Island on January 13, 2014, 08:56:34 PM
Gentle Giant ;D - only band to rival Man in my affections from back in the day. Some cringeworthy bits occasionally but totally unique and such a great live show. Imagine my surprise and delight when Pugwash turned up as drummer for Man. Just love his on stage persona and he really deserves a lot of credit for GG's sound as they rocked so much better once he was in the band. A couple of clips below if anyone is interested.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oK4cuXJa7QE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMrYSTzqFI8
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: Allan Heron on January 13, 2014, 09:27:02 PM
.....Islands, one made by a band that never toured and the second by a band that managed to tour a little before falling coming apart.

The band didn't fall apart so much as Fripp fired them all.  They had during their tour become more and more of a jamming band which was not to Fripp's taste.  (He's bored for Britain on the difference between jamming and improvisations - sounds like dancing on the head of a pin to me).

Fripp remains somewhat baffled that the shows recorded by this line up continue to be so popular amongst fans.  But he makes them available and takes the money nevertheless
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: Rob W on January 13, 2014, 09:57:53 PM
Bringing it back to discovering Man. Well, not quite discovering, but rediscovering Man if that's allowed. And linking it in with Gentle Giant and Pgwash in Partickular.

My first Man gig post 1976, rediscovering the band at the Trades Cub, Hebden Bridge, after the gig, in the toilets, who was having a wee in the urinal next to me? Pugwash! I was stunned. It was my first ever gig not in a sadium or theatre of some sort. Couldn't believe we were sharing the same bog. That stunned, I turned to the left and almost p*ss*d all over him. I recall saying to him I was honoured to be having a p*ss next to him, and had a lovely chat. I reminded him of this at MJ's funeral. He said he remembered. I think he was just being nice. Top fella.

And I wonder how many others stumbled unwittingly across Friday the 13th in the record shop. And how many others only knew of Man's renaissance, eight yrs after the event, thanks to having a quick shufties at Record Collector in John Menzies during a lunch break?
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: rockprof on January 13, 2014, 10:14:59 PM
I heard they got back together in late 83 from a lady who knew Deke in the Axiom bar in Cheltenham. I'm pretty sure she tipped me off about Fri 13th too as I remember going looking for it in the fancy new precinct that had just opened. Spent a lot of the eighties out of the country so only got to see them once in 85, much to my regret.
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: rockprof on January 13, 2014, 10:59:53 PM
Thinking about Fri 13th......and someone might know the answer, the copy I have is a "Porky prime cut". He also added "the man's back and don't it feel good too". The first PPC I remember was Lennon and Yoko's Happy Xmas. But who was Porky? I remember quite a few Porky prime cuts from the 70's, on a variety of labels. Looks like he was a Manfan...
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: Jules on January 14, 2014, 12:49:55 AM
That'll be George 'Porky' Peckham and yes, he is. Now retired, but he left a few fascinating messages on various Man and Deke releases. Something else you don't get on CDs or downloads.
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: Colin Salter on January 14, 2014, 12:51:28 AM
I too stumbled across Friday 13th - in HMV in Glasgow - and saw them live soon afterwards in a club whose name Mr Heron always has to remind me of (upstairs on Sauchiehall Street) c1985. So weird seeing them in dinner jackets! And that was that, as I thought a one-off reunion tour or something, until years later I was on tour myself in South Wales, stage manager with a theatre show ("Frankie and Tommy", about Tommy Cooper's early ENSA days as part of a double act). I saw fliers in Aberfan Community Centre for a Man gig in Merthyr a couple of days later. A guy who worked in the centre, his band was the support act. We were playing in Blackwood the night of the gig, packed up our show in record time, I dropped the cast off at their hotel and raced to Merthyr. Got there just as the boys were kicking off their set, on a makeshift stage in a booming sports hall. I was mesmerised - like Rob W, I'd never been so close to them, mostly gigs at the Apollo in Glasgow up to 1976, and here they were only a foot or so off the ground and only a few feet away. I found myself staring! It was late 1992, must have been around the launch of Twang, and there was a large chunk of Twang material in the middle of the set including Pope and Kangaroo which I can't say I cared much for. But everything else was in place and in order. Chronically shy, I declined the Aberfan guy's offer to take me backstage afterwards!
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: Mike Morgan on January 14, 2014, 01:07:35 AM
That'll be George 'Porky' Peckham and yes, he is. Now retired, but he left a few fascinating messages on various Man and Deke releases. Something else you don't get on CDs or downloads.

Also did loads on stiff records in late 70's. he scratched a telephone number onto Elvis's This Years Model stating that you'd get a prize if you rang.  I believe that pissed Stiff off but true to his word, I got a 'signed' photo of EC and a badge that said something like 33 in 78 and also had a '45' reference.
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Post by: Stephen Merchant on January 14, 2014, 10:05:01 AM
Topic deviation alert! Apologies but I thought this was interesting:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpidqcG7sSo

How did you discover Man? Oh the usual way, friends houses & recommendations. First saw them 2nd of November 1972 at Oakengates Town Hall, Principal Magic Edwards supporting {I think}. Man were at least an hour late, what audience there was were getting restless and us young trainee 16 year old 'heads' had a train to catch, and then Man wandered in, eating fish and chips without a care in the world before casually taking to the stage!! I think we saw about 20 minutes before we dashed for the last train to Shrewsbury. It was enough though...at least we'd seen this band that had intrigued us so much.
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: rockprof on January 14, 2014, 11:42:22 AM
That'll be George 'Porky' Peckham and yes, he is. Now retired, but he left a few fascinating messages on various Man and Deke releases. Something else you don't get on CDs or downloads.

Ah, that explains Pecko as well....I always imagined it was 2 different blokes. What about 'Rays'? He's on a few, and I hope ysadenyn isn't a rude word.
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: Rob W on January 14, 2014, 12:45:46 PM
I have a 'Porky's Prime Cut'. Deep Purple's Fireball from memory. I probably have more than one , but I do recall first seeing this on Fireball, and asking pal's what it was. Nobody knew. 

As for 'ysadenyn'. I've done what I bet everyone else on this MB has done; Welsh to English dictionary. No such word   :o 
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: Barry Island on January 14, 2014, 12:49:17 PM
I too stumbled across Friday 13th - in HMV in Glasgow - and saw them live soon afterwards in a club whose name Mr Heron always has to remind me of (upstairs on Sauchiehall Street) c1985. So weird seeing them in dinner jackets! And that was that, as I thought a one-off reunion tour or something, until years later I was on tour myself in South Wales, stage manager with a theatre show ("Frankie and Tommy", about Tommy Cooper's early ENSA days as part of a double act). I saw fliers in Aberfan Community Centre for a Man gig in Merthyr a couple of days later. A guy who worked in the centre, his band was the support act. We were playing in Blackwood the night of the gig, packed up our show in record time, I dropped the cast off at their hotel and raced to Merthyr. Got there just as the boys were kicking off their set, on a makeshift stage in a booming sports hall. I was mesmerised - like Rob W, I'd never been so close to them, mostly gigs at the Apollo in Glasgow up to 1976, and here they were only a foot or so off the ground and only a few feet away. I found myself staring! It was late 1992, must have been around the launch of Twang, and there was a large chunk of Twang material in the middle of the set including Pope and Kangaroo which I can't say I cared much for. But everything else was in place and in order. Chronically shy, I declined the Aberfan guy's offer to take me backstage afterwards!
Know what you mean about being close to the band. After so may years they were playing at Lanterns in Ashburton a very small venue and we got so close we could have reached out and touched the hems of their garments. If that wasn't enough it was my favourite line up Messrs Jones, Leonard, Ace and Williams and I had never seen this combo before. Just so happy as I came back from the bog past some stairs to see the band descending the stairs instruments slung over their shoulders. If I remember correctly a heavenly choir of angels seemed to be singing as they emerged from a bright halo of light behind them. On the other hand that may have been due to the pre-gig preparations kicking in. Whatever it was down to, it was a superb gig and I seem to recall Deke playing a bit of keyboard which I had never seen before either.
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: Mike Morgan on January 14, 2014, 03:49:29 PM

Ysadenyn

Anagram of 'Andys Yen'?  Not a clue what that might mean though :o
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: Pete T on January 14, 2014, 06:06:56 PM

Ysadenyn

Anagram of 'Andys Yen'?  Not a clue what that might mean though :o

..also "Sandy Yen"!!..

..and "Deny any S"
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: Rob W on January 14, 2014, 06:51:45 PM
Or could be

Denys? Nay!

Made that up me sen. None of this make an anagram website mullarkey for me. No sirrreee!!!

Incidentally, I did try to shoehorn 'jumping like a kangaroo' in but try as I might, just couldn't do it. Sorry Mr T from Scourie.   8)

Back to my tax returns now    >:(

Don't worry everyone, it'll only take a minute    ;D

   

 
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: Barry Island on January 14, 2014, 07:39:15 PM
Sydney an?
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: rockprof on January 14, 2014, 09:03:57 PM
Yes Danny...
How many went scuttling to the old collection to check?  ;D
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: Jack the Train on January 14, 2014, 11:27:16 PM
Early 80's, workmate had taped Man's contribution on to a reel to reel tape and, surprisingly , my dad had a reel to reel player so I borrowed it. At that time all Man's stuff was deleted so I spent loads of time downstairs at Paperchase in St Anns Square in Manchester picking up their albums second hand as and when they appeared. Great fun as I had no idea how many albums they'd released so when one popped up that t I hadn't got it was snapped up. Nowadays of course you can Google and see everything anyone's ever done and probably listen to it for free on YouTube. Boring...
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: Ron Fronberg on January 15, 2014, 12:10:06 AM
man first time

san francisco march 1975 a long time ago

line up was babe ruth, man and peter frampton

the recording truck was outside that night to record frampton.

so if frampton was recorded, i also have always wondered if man was also recorded.

time for the way back machine

ron
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: Rob W on January 15, 2014, 12:22:22 AM
Early 80's, workmate had taped Man's contribution on to a reel to reel tape and, surprisingly , my dad had a reel to reel player so I borrowed it. At that time all Man's stuff was deleted so I spent loads of time downstairs at Paperchase in St Anns Square in Manchester picking up their albums second hand as and when they appeared. Great fun as I had no idea how many albums they'd released so when one popped up that t I hadn't got it was snapped up. Nowadays of course you can Google and see everything anyone's ever done and probably listen to it for free on YouTube. Boring...

"Paperchase"... The very same shop I purchased my first Man LP, Slow Motion. It was late getting into the shops. I went into Paperchase almost daily until they got it. The fella at the shop was also waiting impatiently for it.

Paperchase is still alive, moved though, just off St Ann Sq and not selling music of any sort, anymore. I can still picture the record racks and where Man's section was.   

Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: Jack the Train on January 15, 2014, 01:25:40 AM
I remember going down the stairwell to the basement at Paperchase and seeing a handwritten A4 notice on the wall with the gig listing for Manchester Poly including, amongst others, The Honeydrippers. I turned up expectantly at the Poly on the appointed date and sure enough in that sweaty basement was Robert Plant doing RnB covers, 18 months since I'd seen him from a quarter of a mile distant at Knebworth with his other band..
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: rockprof on January 15, 2014, 03:37:58 AM
On closer inspection it could be 'ysade-nyn'... I blame Kip...
Back on topic....Deke played some sort of keyboard when I first saw them on the 75 Chippo tour. This was announced by Ace on the lines of 'now Deke's going to play the piano'....
At which a Welsh bloke in front of me roared "He can't play the piano!"
It was more of a Hammond than a grand, but he knocked a half decent tune out of it...
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: Michael Heatley on January 15, 2014, 11:36:39 AM
Robert who?  ;)
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: Barry Island on January 15, 2014, 02:41:29 PM
Now lives in a garden centre near Aberystwyth apparently. :D
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: Allan Heron on January 18, 2014, 12:13:10 AM
I too stumbled across Friday 13th - in HMV in Glasgow - and saw them live soon afterwards in a club whose name Mr Heron always has to remind me of (upstairs on Sauchiehall Street) c1985

Night Moves as it was then.

Previously known as The White Elephant and subsequently as Rooftops.   Not currently in use.
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: Mike Morgan on January 18, 2014, 01:19:57 AM
Deke played the keyboards in the Railwaymens club shortly after his return from the stroke in about 1997/8 I think.  Easter as far as I recall.
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: joan on January 19, 2014, 03:55:44 AM
Deke on keyboards on The girl is trouble (1995):.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ir-s0NtNGK0
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: Ron Brain on January 19, 2014, 02:10:18 PM
Deke on keyboards on The girl is trouble (1995):.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ir-s0NtNGK0

That is one from CDTM I think came out particularly well. Nice version with Terry on drums
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: joan on January 20, 2014, 03:29:03 PM
Deke also played keyboards in C'mon in 1975  :o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knNAStZ9Qfw
minute 27:10
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: Rob W on January 20, 2014, 05:27:48 PM
I have quite a bit of footage of Deke on keyboards. All on VHS though. Must transfer to DVD along with all the other post 1991 gigs I recorded. 

(No I'm not uploading to You Tube. One evening at The Witchwood, when Mr Ace tried to stop me recording, but I politely discussed it with him   ;)  we agreed I should keep it for personal use only.  Once I make a promise, I don't renege. If you're reading this, sir, I'm always true to my word).
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: Barry Island on January 20, 2014, 07:44:54 PM
Blimey - the Witchwood - I used to live in Hyde a mere barm cakes throw away. Never got to see any gigs there. Don't ask me why I can't remember.
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: Rob W on January 20, 2014, 09:34:26 PM
Blimey - the Witchwood - I used to live in Hyde a mere barm cakes throw away. Never got to see any gigs there. Don't ask me why I can't remember.
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Bazzer,

Why can't you remember?]
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: joan on January 21, 2014, 12:35:07 PM
I have quite a bit of footage of Deke on keyboards. All on VHS though. Must transfer to DVD along with all the other post 1991 gigs I recorded. 
(No I'm not uploading to You Tube....

Ok, no YouTube then. What about Dime?  ;)
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: Barry Island on January 21, 2014, 07:57:20 PM
Blimey - the Witchwood - I used to live in Hyde a mere barm cakes throw away. Never got to see any gigs there. Don't ask me why I can't remember.
[/quote

Bazzer,

Why can't you remember?]

Because I was there I guess - much like most of my life. ;D
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: Pete T on January 22, 2014, 10:03:18 PM
(No I'm not uploading to You Tube....

Ok, no YouTube then. What about Dime?  ;)

..tsk Joan, you know he can't even do FB!!..
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: Rob W on January 22, 2014, 11:11:21 PM
Quite right, Pete. You tell him.

I'll now carry on listening to the wireless...

Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: Pete T on January 23, 2014, 12:40:55 PM
Quite right, Pete. You tell him.

I'll now carry on listening to the wireless...

..Deke's wireless?..
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: happytrails on January 23, 2014, 09:57:55 PM
My introduction was a bit longed winded ...but not that long...It was having seen IceBerg supporting Hawkwind at the Hawkwind / IT Party at Wembley...was knocked out by their sound and mentioned it to a friend who said I ought to listen to Man on Greasy Truckers...that was it for me...but then I met a young lady working behind the counter of a record shop in Kingston who I grew up with, she invited me upstairs for a smoke where they were playing a copy of Happy Trails...that was it fer me, I knew then that I was well and truly tuned in ...
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: Barry Island on January 23, 2014, 10:04:26 PM
My introduction was a bit longed winded ...but not that long...It was having seen IceBerg supporting Hawkwind at the Hawkwind / IT Party at Wembley...was knocked out by their sound and mentioned it to a friend who said I ought to listen to Man on Greasy Truckers...that was it for me...but then I met a young lady working behind the counter of a record shop in Kingston who I grew up with, she invited me upstairs for a smoke where they were playing a copy of Happy Trails...that was it fer me, I knew then that I was well and truly tuned in ...
Sounds like the dream record shop to me. Are we talking Kingston Jamaica? Jamaica or did she offer? Double punnery for you there.
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: happytrails on January 23, 2014, 10:16:25 PM
Jamaica would have been warmer than Surrey, and she offered ,but only the toke...
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: Barry Island on January 23, 2014, 10:26:31 PM
Nevertheless sounds good but obviously a branch of Virgin records!!!(Sorry in very poor taste but just couldn't resist)
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: happytrails on January 23, 2014, 10:41:22 PM
Told me I coudn't hit the Karma button more than once in an hour...yer comment put a smile on me face though...so did the Kashmir Twist we toked.
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: rockprof on January 23, 2014, 11:51:07 PM
Huzzah for Kashmir twist! And the lost fortnight listening to Man and the Clash at the Rock View in Srinagar.....
Another bit of paradise now off limits.... :(
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: Nikke55 on May 09, 2014, 08:42:52 PM
No. it wasn't me! But one of my firend stole some records in a recordshop. One was Elephants Memory and the other was Man - Revelation. That album had a deep impact on my musical taste. And it has to this day. I've got all the albums on vinyl even "Live at the Padget Rooms" and Iceberg things. Deke's Map of India of course.
A big moment was when I saw Man live in Stockholm 1974? It was when Deke was back after Iceberg. I was standing with my friend in the front row at the door when the members of Man came walking by to get in. Mickey came first and think I was the only one recognising them. But I was perplexed I couldn't say anything. The gig? One of the best in my life! There's a lot more to say. Man made me to go to Wales. Been there three times so far.
Be good to yourself...
Kai
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: John Bannon on May 09, 2014, 09:08:40 PM
No. it wasn't me! But one of my firend stole some records in a recordshop. One was Elephants Memory and the other was Man - Revelation. That album had a deep impact on my musical taste. And it has to this day. I've got all the albums on vinyl even "Live at the Padget Rooms" and Iceberg things. Deke's Map of India of course.
A big moment was when I saw Man live in Stockholm 1974? It was when Deke was back after Iceberg. I was standing with my friend in the front row at the door when the members of Man came walking by to get in. Mickey came first and think I was the only one recognising them. But I was perplexed I couldn't say anything. The gig? One of the best in my life! There's a lot more to say. Man made me to go to Wales. Been there three times so far.
Be good to yourself...
Kai
Hi Kai, Welcome to the board, these memories are exactly the type of thing we like to hear.   
Title: Re: How did you discover Man?
Post by: Barry Island on May 11, 2014, 03:53:44 PM
Nice one Nikke. Where do you live now and which bits of Wales did you visit?