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Title: Man Apollo Theatre Glasgow with John Cipollina May 14,1975
Post by: Newyorkmanfan on June 16, 2021, 05:29:33 PM
Hi! I was just surfing around youtube looking for a man video and I managed to come across this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caxdN7FYE78http://

It's a man gig from when they toured around the UK with John cipollina during the maximum darkness era. As far as I know, this particular gig was released on a CDR but I haven't seen a copy for sale. Unfortunately, the sound quality is horrendous and many of the songs such as 7171 551 and the storm are incomplete but hey at least it's for free on youtube, and it's another gig from the john cipollina tour besides the excellent maximum darkness.   
Title: Re: Man Apollo Theatre Glasgow with John Cipollina May 14,1975
Post by: Rob W on June 16, 2021, 10:16:03 PM
This is very interesting. I have a CD of the Man/Cippo gig recorded in Manchester. It's the same as this!

I was at the Mcr gig. When listening to the CD, I didn't recall the audience being chastised after The Storm, but being 40+ years since, I reckoned I probably just didn't recall it. Now I wonder if my CD is not Mcr, or whether this is not Glasgow. Since acquiring the CD, I believe the Mcr gig is available on a CD. I wonder if our Scottish contingent on here recall anything about the Glasgow gig, though he'll probably say if you were around in the 70's, you won't remember it 😉
Title: Re: Man Apollo Theatre Glasgow with John Cipollina May 14,1975
Post by: Newyorkmanfan on June 16, 2021, 11:56:46 PM
Unfortunately I can't say that I've been around since i'm 18  ;D. I will say though that it seemed like a pretty good gig and cipollina and micky were on point. Its great to hear another version of codine although deke's vocals are not as good as the maximum darkness version. Still anything man related is good and its good to hear razorblade and rattle snake by man. Btw with the cdr where did you buy your copy? I only found out about it through the john cipollina website but I don't know where to buy it. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!
Title: Re: Man Apollo Theatre Glasgow with John Cipollina May 14,1975
Post by: Newyorkmanfan on June 16, 2021, 11:58:24 PM
i forgot I have the manchester gig on cd too! Was it on the dodgy live adventures 7 cd boxset by floating records? I have that boxset and while I'm glad i have access to the gigs there,its not worth your time and money.
Title: Re: Man Apollo Theatre Glasgow with John Cipollina May 14,1975
Post by: Rob W on June 17, 2021, 02:08:35 AM
Unfortunately I can't say that I've been around since i'm 18  ;D. I will say though that it seemed like a pretty good gig and cipollina and micky were on point. Its great to hear another version of codine although deke's vocals are not as good as the maximum darkness version. Still anything man related is good and its good to hear razorblade and rattle snake by man. Btw with the cdr where did you buy your copy? I only found out about it through the john cipollina website but I don't know where to buy it. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!

The CD was given to me well before it appeared publicly. Means a lot to me because it was one of my first Man gigs and I went with College friends. I say " means a lot". It will probably be amended to "meant a lot" if it transpires it wasn't Manchester. 
Title: Re: Man Apollo Theatre Glasgow with John Cipollina May 14,1975
Post by: Newyorkmanfan on June 17, 2021, 03:35:42 AM
Must have been a fantastic memory. Makes me wish I was alive then since they are one of my favorite bands. The band was playing great. I found about the cdr through this website

http://michaelcross.me.uk/jc/m-det.htm#s75http://

I will say Cipollina was really a guitarist with his own voice. Love quicksilver as well. Downloaded the video just in case of martin ace's copy right 8)
Title: Re: Man Apollo Theatre Glasgow with John Cipollina May 14,1975
Post by: Newyorkmanfan on June 17, 2021, 04:17:13 AM
Definitely better than my college life. Speaking of bootlegs I know martin ace prohibits the sharing of man bootlegs but is there a way i can get ahold of the bootlegs such as the ones from 1970 in germany? Thanks!
Title: Re: Man Apollo Theatre Glasgow with John Cipollina May 14,1975
Post by: Nick Nation on June 17, 2021, 08:43:15 AM
I may be getting on a bit and have lost some of my faculties in the process, but I agree with Rob - this is Manchester. The Glasgow recording starts off with the end of the long drone that preceded '7171' and is not as good sound quality.

As Fonz said, 'I could be wro..wro...wrrrrrong....'
Title: Re: Man Apollo Theatre Glasgow with John Cipollina May 14,1975
Post by: Newyorkmanfan on June 17, 2021, 06:08:40 PM
Fair enough. Was this gig also part of the live adventures boxset? Because i recognize the incomplete version from the manchester cd. Wasn't the gig radio broadcast or was it just a cassette recorder?
Title: Re: Man Apollo Theatre Glasgow with John Cipollina May 14,1975
Post by: Rob W on June 17, 2021, 09:52:36 PM
As I write this I'm listening to Marc Riley on R6. The relevance being, a while back he mentioned on his programme how as a young kid then, he smuggled himself into the Man/Cippo Mcr gig and fell asleep during one of the songs. I suspect it was The Storm (note to Jules. Sorry, I know I have mentioned this before. It's a sign of old age when repeating oneself... continually 😁)
Title: Re: Man Apollo Theatre Glasgow with John Cipollina May 14,1975
Post by: Newyorkmanfan on June 18, 2021, 04:01:48 AM
Wouldn't be surprised.  ;D Since the storm is such a dreamy soundscape, it's the song I listen to before I go to bed since its ambiance puts you to sleep. It's either the studio version, the version from the gugenhalle in 1971 from the keep on crinting compilation or the version off of to live for to die(most listened to). Btw what effect did they use in the beginning? I know clive john while in the band used his organ fed into a primitive analog delay in order to get a certain wash but I don't know what they used on this version.
Title: Re: Man Apollo Theatre Glasgow with John Cipollina May 14,1975
Post by: Nick Nation on June 18, 2021, 08:08:43 AM
Fair enough. Was this gig also part of the live adventures boxset? Because i recognize the incomplete version from the manchester cd. Wasn't the gig radio broadcast or was it just a cassette recorder?


I recall we determined that the info etc on 'Live Adventures' was poor and that it had the wrong Manchester Venue - it should be the Free Trade Hall on May 20 1975. Recorded off the desk.
Title: Re: Man Apollo Theatre Glasgow with John Cipollina May 14,1975
Post by: Nigelbb on June 18, 2021, 08:23:11 AM
I saw Man with John Cippolina in Bournemouth on that tour. As I recall the venue was a former bowling alley with quite a low ceiling. The gig was great as I recall it & I remember John Cippolina playing his horizontal slide guitar quite a lot. TBH this was all seen through a psychedelic fog & it was the early hours of the morning before it was safe enough for us to drive back to Southampton. :)
Title: Re: Man Apollo Theatre Glasgow with John Cipollina May 14,1975
Post by: Newyorkmanfan on June 18, 2021, 08:01:40 PM
Fair enough. Probably didn't help that there was no liner notes just a cheap cardboard box. Really dig cipollina's playing and quicksilver although I felt he was a little underpowered with man.
Title: Re: Man Apollo Theatre Glasgow with John Cipollina May 14,1975
Post by: Tel on June 18, 2021, 08:12:36 PM
I saw them on the opening night of that tour, 4 days previously at the Southend Kursaal. Deke was kind enough to honour my attendance by mentioning that Gig in RW+L  8)

It was a great gig and the tour produced, in my opinion, the best live album in Maximum Darkness.

Tel
Title: Re: Man Apollo Theatre Glasgow with John Cipollina May 14,1975
Post by: Rob W on June 18, 2021, 08:15:33 PM
Fair enough. Was this gig also part of the live adventures boxset? Because i recognize the incomplete version from the manchester cd. Wasn't the gig radio broadcast or was it just a cassette recorder?


I recall we determined that the info etc on 'Live Adventures' was poor and that it had the wrong Manchester Venue - it should be the Free Trade Hall on May 20 1975. Recorded off the desk.

Correct. I recall it stating the wrong venue. Hardrock I think.

Can't believe that Gong has already sold out their Hebden Bridge gig  next March 2022. Where did that come from? 😁😄
Title: Re: Man Apollo Theatre Glasgow with John Cipollina May 14,1975
Post by: Newyorkmanfan on June 18, 2021, 08:15:53 PM
That's awesome! Deke was a class act.  ;D Love his books and he was a good guitar player and vocalist to boot. I agree maximum darkness is one of man's real highlights and one of the best things they have done. I still am a huge fan of Padget rooms but Maximum darkness is more consistent.
Title: Re: Man Apollo Theatre Glasgow with John Cipollina May 14,1975
Post by: Nigelbb on June 19, 2021, 08:25:54 AM
I saw them on the opening night of that tour, 4 days previously at the Southend Kursaal. Deke was kind enough to honour my attendance by mentioning that Gig in RW+L  8)

It was a great gig and the tour produced, in my opinion, the best live album in Maximum Darkness.

Tel

I agree with your opinion of Maximum Darkness. It's an amazing live album even though it's Man with no keyboard player & three guitarists. For me the high point is Many Are Called But Few Get Up with Terry's absolutely incredible drumming.
Title: Re: Man Apollo Theatre Glasgow with John Cipollina May 14,1975
Post by: Rob W on June 19, 2021, 01:52:14 PM
I agree, Maximum Darkness is an amazing album. And if I had to pick a highlight, it would be MACBFGU.

However, the fella who introduced me to Man all those years back refused to buy the album because he felt it was so much overdubbed, it wasn't a live album.

Bass guitar on the album is good, isn't it 😁
Title: Re: Man Apollo Theatre Glasgow with John Cipollina May 14,1975
Post by: Newyorkmanfan on June 21, 2021, 02:19:36 AM
Agreed! I'm pretty sure the overdubbing was on bananas since Cipollina's guitar went out of tune on that track. I rather hear overdubbed parts in tune rather than a guitar that was out of tune ;D. Agree with the bass.