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Title: MAn @ 100 Club
Post by: Michael Heatley on October 03, 2009, 10:54:26 AM
This isn't so much a review, merely a plea.

If you get the chance to catch the current Man in the next week you owe it to yourself to do so.

They have gone back to basics, returned many classics to the set and are functioning as a team - you would hardly have believed this was gig two.

The first gig at Wrexham attracted 13 - thirteen - paying customers, so all those who wish to can have a laff at this point. But if I tell you Nigel Cross came past me after a thunderous 'Spunk Rock', raised his eyebrows and said one word - 'Crikey!' - you might just believe this is a show worth seeing. The attendance was reasonable if not overflowing, but they were not allowed off stage till 11.30, which must have been heartening.

I repeat: if you get the chance to catch the current Man in the next week you owe it to yourself to do so. I'll be back @ Southend...  ;D
Title: Re: MAn @ 100 Club
Post by: Jules on October 03, 2009, 11:29:34 AM
Thanks Michael. Interesting to hear how the classics are coming back. Phil was definitely keen on supporting this approach during the last tour. Hebden Bridge tonight. Can't wait.
Title: Re: MAn @ 100 Club
Post by: Rob W on October 03, 2009, 11:34:55 AM
Ok, I shouldn't take the bait, but hey ho....Michael, it's not about whether how good or otherwise, Man is. It's what was said, and how it was said which has alienated me and certainly some others.

Jeez, just remembered, Man playing at my nearest venue tonight, Hebden Bridge. I should be buzzing..... Oh well, at least I'm seeing the Lancashire Hotpots next week. Yep, the Lancashire Hotpots....
Title: Re: MAn @ 100 Club
Post by: Dave Bardsley on October 03, 2009, 12:03:29 PM
Yeah.  Can't argue with the Heatleymeister.

It's fair to admit I went there with some (lots of) reservations fearing a chain of Kangaroos, Popemobiles etc.  What I got was The Price, Mad on Her, Women, Man with X-Ray Eyes, Mad on Her, C'Mon, Spunk Rock, Many are Called (In no particular order and, probably, with some omissions)  All strong songs from the back catalogue plus 3 or 4 new songs of KON (with which I am unfamiliar, but none of which caused me to wince).  There was never any doubt about there being an encore but when they struck up Bananas I was completely gobsmacked - a brave choice - then the inevitable Romain followed by a quite blistering Do It/Conflict of Interest.

With Phil in the band the keyboards are now more prominent, both in volume and solos.  But the guitars are still there (although I felt James Beck was a bit low in the sound mix).  Ace is Ace and those bass lines drive and lift the songs.  However I did miss the high register vocals that are above the range of current members - a small point.

Look, things move on.  It's not the Man you saw a year or so ago but it is still, definitely, a Man band.  Not a tribute band.  If you are not inclined to go to their gigs because of recent events I urge you to count to ten, recognise that what's done is done and not to cut off your nose to spite your face.  C'Mon, Do It...   

And then look forward to George and Bob's band, hopefull, later in the year.

And now the screen is dancing...
Title: Re: MAn @ 100 Club
Post by: Michael Heatley on October 03, 2009, 12:08:57 PM
This is to Rob - Dave's woken up  ;D Hi Dave!

I have come to the conclusion that, for me, Man is like supporting a lower-division (or non-League!) football team Rob - you continue to look out for those who move on, but you still wear the scarf.

All I know is that while I will always remember the 100 Club as the venue for Deke's last Man gig, I will also have fond memories of last night.

Title: Re: MAn @ 100 Club
Post by: Rob W on October 03, 2009, 12:37:01 PM
Hi Michael,

I appreciate your post, thank you.  But what he said in that post, and how he said it, is more than moving on.

13 people at Wrexham was 13 too many. My final word.
Title: Re: MAn @ 100 Club
Post by: Pete T on October 03, 2009, 12:54:48 PM
What I got was... Mad on Her... Mad on Her...

So good, they played it twice..
Title: Re: MAn @ 100 Club
Post by: Dave Bardsley on October 03, 2009, 04:04:32 PM
What I got was... Mad on Her... Mad on Her...

So good, they played it twice..

Picky... :-*

And, in my defence, Rob's initial posting happened while I was writing my comments; so I was not aware of his post and my comments were not a response to it and should not be read as such.
Title: Re: MAn @ 100 Club
Post by: Mark Davies on October 03, 2009, 07:48:15 PM
3 about to hit the road to Hebden Bridge shortly. Only another 11 needed to break the record :)
Title: Re: MAn @ 100 Club
Post by: Pete T on October 03, 2009, 08:52:19 PM
..for me, Man is like supporting a lower-division (or non-League!) football team Rob - you continue to look out for those who move on, but you still wear the scarf.

Well said Michael, a good analagy, but I think the managers chosen the wrong team, I going to watch the rugby now..
Title: Re: MAn @ 100 Club
Post by: Nick Nation on October 04, 2009, 11:51:46 AM
...and I never got there in the end. I blame pain. Had a knee op a few weeks ago and although still sore, have been mobile-ish. The show must go on, etc. Unfortunately something went ping as I was walking to the station. Suppose I was rushing a bit. Hospital given me a handful of heavy duty pain killers which errrm...well don't try this at home, kids.

I would like to see this version of the band and was contemplating an attempt at Southend tonight, but I'd have to return by 9.30 to get the last train from London so it's probably not on. I know suffering is good for the soul, so at least I'm soulful. Oww, wince, albeit in a cotton wool cocodamol kind of way. I'll have a banana. 
Title: Re: MAn @ 100 Club
Post by: Dave Bardsley on October 04, 2009, 01:41:14 PM
Well said Michael, a good analagy, but I think the managers chosen the wrong team, I going to watch the rugby now..

I don't think you should ever judge a team, either positively or negatively, until you have seen it performing.  Just a thought...
Title: Re: MAn @ 100 Club
Post by: Nick Nation on October 04, 2009, 02:13:43 PM
I don't think you should ever judge a team, either positively or negatively, until you have seen it performing.  Just a thought...

Agreed Dave, whatever your thoughts about events over the last year. It may well be that having seen them you still come to the same conclusion...however, at least you will have reached that conclusion from a full picture.

....and sometimes I wish I could convey what it is I'm trying to say a bit better.   
Title: Re: MAn @ 100 Club
Post by: Pete T on October 04, 2009, 08:03:00 PM
I don't think you should ever judge a team, either positively or negatively, until you have seen it performing.  Just a thought...
Quite right, and I have heard some of the output of this lineup, via Dime, and wasn't as impressed as some of you. OK, not as good as being there, but sufficiently good to form an opinion. There are still some songs in the set that I'd be quite happy to never hear again. Mad on her and X-ray eyes, plus the stuff from KON, leaves a little over 58% of the gig worth listening too.. It's unlikely that I'll ever see them again (unless George and Bob re-join), and that's sad, because like most of you, the Man band has been one HUGE part of my life.
Title: Re: MAn @ 100 Club
Post by: HSamuel on October 04, 2009, 11:26:06 PM

OK, not as good as being there, but sufficiently good to form an opinion.
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Being there doesn't necessarily improves things.  I had heard those German shows on Dime but hoped the live experience would be more of a spectacle.  However after attending a MANFA gig in June I was distinctly underwhelmed.  I find it ironic that Martin has been saying  'this is a progressive band', implying that they would be concentrating on the new material, only for them to wheel out the old favourites again a few months later.  Or am I just being cynical?
Title: Re: MAn @ 100 Club
Post by: Michael Heatley on October 05, 2009, 10:47:10 AM
To quote the Bard (aka Chas Hodges): 'There ain't no pleasin' you...'  :D
Title: Re: MAn @ 100 Club
Post by: Colin Salter on October 05, 2009, 12:25:46 PM
Yeah, seems like a lot of people can't stand the break with tradition, don't want/like the new stuff, yet hate it when they play the old stuff. Go figure!
Title: Re: MAn @ 100 Club
Post by: Jules on October 05, 2009, 01:22:03 PM
I find it ironic that Martin has been saying  'this is a progressive band', implying that they would be concentrating on the new material, only for them to wheel out the old favourites again a few months later.  Or am I just being cynical?

Cynical? Maybe that's one word for it. This sounds like a "damned if they do, damned if they don't" argument to me, which (emotions aside) doesn't really stack up. 

The current tour would answer most queries. Man are presenting new material from the most recent albums, along with songs from the back catalogue. The shorter new and back catalogue songs are being delivered confidently and in their familiar arrangements. The longer back catalogue songs are being interpreted in the same progressive manner that Man have usually approached their classics. Boundaries are being found and stepped over, envelopes are being pushed. That's why every gig, every album, is different, and why I keep going along.
Title: Re: MAn @ 100 Club
Post by: HSamuel on October 05, 2009, 01:34:15 PM
I think people have been misinterpreting my point - I was not expressing an opinion as to either approach (new vs old) but merely rasing the point that the 'official line' of a few months ago seems to have changed.
Title: Re: MAn @ 100 Club
Post by: Michael Heatley on October 05, 2009, 02:49:57 PM
I think Jules has made the point I should have made instead of glibly quoting Chas n Dave, H.

It's songs like C'Mon and Bananas where as Phil said last night 'We haven't a clue what we're going to play in the middle bit'. Hence they can be more progressive and take more chances than in a simpler song such as those contained on KoN or the likes of 'XRay Eyes'.

So it is a step back, but not to my mind an un-progressive one.

Having seen two shows in three days, the songs may have been the same but they were played significantly differently. The fuzz organ solo Ryan pulled out on 'Do It' last night was absolutely spine-tingling.
Title: Re: MAn @ 100 Club
Post by: Mark Davies on October 05, 2009, 03:02:40 PM
I think people have been misinterpreting my point - I was not expressing an opinion as to either approach (new vs old) but merely rasing the point that the 'official line' of a few months ago seems to have changed.

I seem to remember an interview with Phil in TWC earlier this year (which I can't locate just now) where he said that the hope was to bring back some longer, jamming numbers. Apologies if I am incorrect.
Title: Re: MAn @ 100 Club
Post by: Mark Davies on October 05, 2009, 03:08:54 PM
So, as audience numbers seem to be measure by which a band stands or falls these days, roughly how many people were at the 100 Club?
Title: Re: MAn @ 100 Club
Post by: Tim W on October 05, 2009, 03:18:13 PM
I dug out that TWC, these are Phil's words:

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The last thing we want to do with the band going forward is to get people coming in to duplicate something that can't be duplicated in a credible way. There's only one Deke and there's only one Micky, they're irreplaceable. So the obvious thing is to let people find their own identity within the overall ethos of what the Manband is.
Title: Re: MAn @ 100 Club
Post by: Jules on October 05, 2009, 04:50:07 PM
I think people have been misinterpreting my point - I was not expressing an opinion as to either approach (new vs old) but merely rasing the point that the 'official line' of a few months ago seems to have changed.
Both are possible of course. I'm always liable to grab the wrong end of any offered stick. What was your interpretation of the 'official line' ? I've always taken Martin and Phil's comments regarding progression to mean that they want to avoid 'freezing' the Manband at any given point, and would prefer the band to continue evolving.

I'm in favour of a good balance between old and new, especially if the old ones keep changing too. If I wanted them to always sound the same, I could just play the records.   
Title: Re: MAn @ 100 Club
Post by: HSamuel on October 05, 2009, 05:23:27 PM
I think people have been misinterpreting my point - I was not expressing an opinion as to either approach (new vs old) but merely rasing the point that the 'official line' of a few months ago seems to have changed.
Both are possible of course. I'm always liable to grab the wrong end of any offered stick. What was your interpretation of the 'official line' ? I've always taken Martin and Phil's comments regarding progression to mean that they want to avoid 'freezing' the Manband at any given point, and would prefer the band to continue evolving.

I'm in favour of a good balance between old and new, especially if the old ones keep changing too. If I wanted them to always sound the same, I could just play the records.   

Is it safe to come out yet?  I think the big artillery's stopped for the moment so I'll make a quick point and duck down again...

My interpretation of Martin's  'official line' - based on comments from the gig I attended - was that this was a new beginning for the band and that they wanted to 'progress' and not be tied down by the old songs.  This seemed to be borne out by the set selection (the only 70's songs being Manillo, a truncated MACBFGU and Romain), so I was surprised to read about the current set, and was hoping my original post might stimulate some (friendly) debate as to the reasons behind the changes.
Title: Re: MAn @ 100 Club
Post by: Michael Heatley on October 05, 2009, 05:52:53 PM
As I said to George today, there are plenty of orchestras playing Beethoven's 5th or whatever, but if no-one else is playing these classics (C'mon, Bananas, Spunk, MAC...) then the world is IMO a lesser place.

And given how the band played them last night, I would defend their right to do so. If and when George gets out there and plays any or all of them, we gotta choice. I will be happy to see, hear and enjoy both!

And as for whether the musicians played on the original recordings, I suspect Deke was always a bit peed off having to play 'Bananas' at every gig!
Title: Re: MAn @ 100 Club
Post by: Allan Heron on October 05, 2009, 06:09:45 PM
As I said to George today, there are plenty of orchestras playing Beethoven's 5th or whatever, but if no-one else is playing these classics (C'mon, Bananas, Spunk, MAC...) then the world is IMO a lesser place.

This is something that does need to be taken onboard by fans of rock bands.  If the music is to survive then surely the ability for it to be heard in a live setting has to be a vital component of that.   The response to tribute bands in general doesn't seem to want to allow this to happen.

And given how the band played them last night, I would defend their right to do so. If and when George gets out there and plays any or all of them, we gotta choice. I will be happy to see, hear and enjoy both! .

You really are just a bleeding heart liberal, after all, aren't you...........
Title: Re: MAn @ 100 Club
Post by: Jules on October 05, 2009, 06:26:07 PM
I suspect Deke was always a bit peed off having to play 'Bananas' at every gig!

The recent (and excellent) Esoteric re-issues gave me some food for thought on this aspect. Any ideas on when 'Bananas' was first worked up, and who was in the band at the time? Was it pre or post Deke's temporary dismissal?
Title: Re: MAn @ 100 Club
Post by: Nick Nation on October 05, 2009, 07:34:10 PM
Any ideas on when 'Bananas' was first worked up, and who was in the band at the time?

Wry smile opportunity. I've always been a bit surprised that more was not made of it!

...for those just joining us, Jules has just oh so casually mentioned that 'Bananas' was originally called 'Help Me' (because they couldn't think of any lyrics) and apart from very minor changes (e.g. the ascending guitar chords before the middle section) is very close to the song that has always been regarded as one of the keystones of the 'BGTY' era....despite the fact that it was created by (drum roll.....) the MJ/DL/TW/MA line up during those odd few months previously.

Now there was a funny time.
Title: Re: MAn @ 100 Club
Post by: Pete Feenstra on October 07, 2009, 02:41:07 PM
well if I was offered a gig to promote, it would help!!!
Title: Re: MAn @ 100 Club
Post by: Jules on October 11, 2009, 07:43:15 PM
apart from very minor changes (e.g. the ascending guitar chords before the middle section) is very close to the song that has always been regarded as one of the keystones of the 'BGTY' era....despite the fact that it was created by (drum roll.....) the MJ/DL/TW/MA line up during those odd few months previously.
Apologies for the awful name-dropping here, but I was chatting with Phil about Bananas (as you do) after the New Roscoe show. As he recalls it, the main riff was already in place, and Micky played it incessantly during the early days of the then new band's line-up. Will wrote the "I like to eat bananas" words, Phil contributed the "Plant the seed into the ground" section including the lyrics, and worked on adding the arrangement for the instrumental middle section.
Title: Re: MAn @ 100 Club
Post by: Nick Nation on October 11, 2009, 08:11:44 PM
Phil contributed the "Plant the seed into the ground" section....

That's odd, have a listen to the expanded 'Greasy Truckers'....chord sequence already in place!

...As he recalls it...

Oh I see what you mean.
Title: Re: MAn @ 100 Club
Post by: Tim W on November 05, 2009, 02:00:35 PM
I've added a few pics from the 100 Club to the gallery (http://www.manband.co.uk/NEWgallery/main.php?cmd=album), courtesy of Fast Max.

There are a whole load more on his Flickr stream (http://www.flickr.com/photos/29595833@N08/sets/72157622647836602/). Well worth a look.

Title: Re: MAn @ 100 Club
Post by: lloydie on November 05, 2009, 02:42:45 PM
Great photos Tim might use the last photo as promo shot if we get them back in Colwyn Bay next year. ;D lloydie