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Title: Sugarmegs
Post by: Nick Nation on December 20, 2009, 11:28:18 AM
Curse these typewriters. Why can't they invent something useful? It's not me, it's them. Neverthless, I'm determined to get to grips with Dime etc if it's the last thing I'll do.

1. Sugarmegs (see http://tela.sugarmegs.org/ (http://tela.sugarmegs.org/)) has some live Man stuff, as mentioned yonks ago by the other Ron. Much to my surprsise I managed to download a gig from there. I then decided to put it on CD, but the concert is too long - it comes as one big chunk rather than individual tracks. So I tried to import it onto Cubase which would then give me the opportunity to divide the concert...but it wouldn't import the file.

Any suggestions?


2. Can't find anywhere on the Dime site that tells you what's available, or anything helpful like a Q & A section for the dense...other than a brain, am I missing something?
Title: Re: Sugarmegs
Post by: Rob W on December 20, 2009, 12:35:34 PM
I've been listening to Sugarmegs (and Wolfgangs Vault) for years. Tons better than this Dime thing which I've never been able to download.
 
Title: Re: Sugarmegs
Post by: Tim W on December 20, 2009, 01:04:08 PM
On Dime, you just use the TORRENTS / SEARCH option.

But you have to be logged in for that option to appear.

To give you an idea what's there, here are some top ten stats, pop pickers.......



Top 10 Most Snatched Torrents (including currently dead torrents)

1    Led Zeppelin - London - Dec 10 2007 slowburn torrent    
2    THE BEATLES ACOUSTIC MASTERPIECES THE ESHER DEMOS SBD Flac    
3    Led Zeppelin-2007-12-10-London_mk41 source (FLAC)    
4    CREAM - 2nd Night at MSG - Schoeps - 15th Row, FOB    
5    AC/DC - LONDON - HAMMERSMITH ODEON - 16th OCTOBER 1982 (GREAT AUDIENCE RECORDING)    
6    Bruce Springsteen & The E Street Band - Rehearsal #2 - Asbury Park NJ
7    2007.12.10 London Led Zeppelin Trainspotter
8    Led Zeppelin-2007-12-10 London Ian A Video Version
9    THE POLICE Reunion Rehearsal Whisky A Go Go 2-12-07 NTSC DVD*****    
10    Neil Young "Yesteryear Of The Horse" 1976 NTSC DVD    


 
Top 10 Oldest Torrents (excluding banned torrents)


1    Bob Dylan & The Grateful Dead - The Complete Rehearsals (officially released material removed)    
2    White Stripes - 2002-03-31 Trocadero Theatre, Philadelphia, PA AUD    
3    Miles Davis - Fillmore West 10-15-70    
4    COLDPLAY - Live in Manchester 2002 PAL DVD * pro shot *    
5    Neil Young "Yesteryear Of The Horse" 1976 NTSC DVD    
6    PRRP016 - UK - ALASKA BY NIGHT    1,487    
7    Garbarek/ Towner/ Abercrombie/ Vasconcelos 4/11/78    
8    DVD Miles Davis with Santana June 15 1986 HiFiBeta Master off MTV with WW1 Stereo Audio    
9    David Lindley & El Rayo X "Rockpalast 82" DVD    
10    The Mars Volta - 05.03.05 - Philadelphia, Pa - 2 DVD


 
Top 10 Most Active Torrents (with minimum 1 seeder, 1 leecher)


1    Them Crooked Vultures 2009-12-08 K?ln, Germany (Superior DVD-DL from WDR Test)    
2    Pink Floyd - Boston Garden - Boston, MA - 18 June 1975 - 16/44 Version - From Uncirculated Master Audience Recording - The Dan Lampinski Tapes Volume 26 - Special Thanksgiving Torrent With A Message From Dan    
3    KEITH JARRETT QUARTET (w/DEWEY REDMAN; CHARLIE HADEN; PAUL MOTIAN); LIVE AT AULA DE L?ECOLE DE COMMERCE IN GENEVA; SWITZERLAND; 1973-11-04, FM BROADCAST *By special request*    
4    Led Zeppelin 1971.08.22 LA Forum Firecrackers Explosions II    
5    Eric Clapton - 1983-07-16 - Denver, Co. - "Camels With Bourbon on the Rocks" (ALKY 8303/04) *Essential Soundboard w/ Samples!*    
6    Jan Garbarek - Leverkusen 2009 DVD (PAL)    
7    Eric Burdon's I Band - 5 studio demos (probably THE rarest Eric Burdon bootleg you'll come across)    
8    JACKSON BROWNE - Revisiting the Albums Live (featuring stories shared) - Vol 5, Running on Empty (1977)    
9    Elvis Presley - 1974-10-06 A Day In Dayton (GRM) - SBD - afternoon & evening show    
10    Oasis - V Festival, Weston Park, Stafford, 22 August 2009 (last show)    


 
Top 10 Best Seeded Torrents (with minimum 1 seeder, 1 leecher)


1    WARREN HAYNES' PRE-CHRISTMAS JAM W/ GOVT MULE. moe., COUNTING CROWS, ANI DIFRANCO, BRAD WHITFORD (AEROSMITH), JACKIE GREENE, KEVN KINNEY, AUDLEY FREED, ERIC KRASNO, MORE... The Orange Peel, Asheville, NC - Dec. 11, 2009 - FM Broadcast    
2    Pink Floyd - Boston Garden - Boston, MA - 18 June 1975 - 16/44 Version - From Uncirculated Master Audience Recording - The Dan Lampinski Tapes Volume 26 - Special Thanksgiving Torrent With A Message From Dan    
3    THE BEATLES ACOUSTIC MASTERPIECES THE ESHER DEMOS SBD Flac
4    Paul McCartney - December 10,2009 - *** Bonsoir Mon Petit Chou! *** - Paris, Bercy    
5    Jimmy Page & Robert Plant @ Bradley Center, Milwaukee, Wi. May 1, 1995 (Excellent Soundboard)    
6    Norah JONES Paris, maison de la radio studio 104 2009 december 7, sat broadcast SM master, FLAC    821    
7    Paul Simon @ Hollywood Bowl, Los Angeles, Ca. 9/27/91 (excellent soundboard)    
8    PEARL JAM - Austin City Limits - Oct. 3, 2009 - PBS Broadcast - NTSC DVD    
9    MICHAEL HEDGES 1990-01-28, ILLINOIS. SOUNDBOARD.    
10    Bruce Springsteen & The E Street Band- Buffalo, NY 2009-11-22 Schoeps The Bigman's Last Dance?    


 
Title: Re: Sugarmegs
Post by: Mike Cross on December 20, 2009, 01:32:21 PM

1. Sugarmegs (see http://tela.sugarmegs.org/ (http://tela.sugarmegs.org/)) has some live Man stuff, as mentioned yonks ago by the other Ron. Much to my surprsise I managed to download a gig from there. I then decided to put it on CD, but the concert is too long - it comes as one big chunk rather than individual tracks. So I tried to import it onto Cubase which would then give me the opportunity to divide the concert...but it wouldn't import the file.

Any suggestions?


I use a program called CD Wave Editor ( http://www.milosoftware.com/cdwave/ (http://www.milosoftware.com/cdwave/) ) for splitting long music files into tracks. It'll read wav, flac, ape & w64 files. If the file you've downloaded from Sugarmegs isn't in one of those formats then you'll need to convert it first. What format is the Man show in? If it's WMA then will Windows Media Player let you save it as one of the formats CD Wave will accept?

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2. Can't find anywhere on the Dime site that tells you what's available, or anything helpful like a Q & A section for the dense...other than a brain, am I missing something?

There's a Wiki and a FAQ for Dime, both accessible from the Help option on the right of the menu bar. If that iosn't availabel without being logged in, then the Wiki is at http://wiki.dimeadozen.org/ (http://wiki.dimeadozen.org/).
Title: Re: Sugarmegs
Post by: Mike Cross on December 20, 2009, 02:06:21 PM
Re: Converting WMA files to WAV

I've just had a look in Windows Media Player and can't see any way to do this. I also looked in Trader's Little Helper, Audacity, & VLC but they don't seem able to either.

A quick Google of 'convert wav to wma' gave me lots & lots of hits so there's plenty of software out there that'll do it.

Here's a free one: http://www.beethink.com/AudioConverter.htm (http://www.beethink.com/AudioConverter.htm)

Or this: http://www.nch.com.au/switch/index.html (http://www.nch.com.au/switch/index.html) which has Free and Plus versions


Title: Re: Sugarmegs
Post by: Mike Burgess on December 20, 2009, 03:28:44 PM
Thank you Mr N for reminding me about this site. Pulled a few More Man sets from it. Nice stuff.
good luck with your voyage of discovery re Dime! Though it does seem there are a few experts here who can help with all your download needs.
 God I love the internet sometimes!
Title: Re: Sugarmegs
Post by: Pete T on December 20, 2009, 04:40:28 PM
I used to look at Dime daily, so could view new additions back to where I left off..
Now I'm limited to downloads, I tend to browse the "categories", QMS "normally" appears in 'west coast', although they could also be listed under 'jam bands', 'rock', 'psychedelic', 'progressive', etc. Wouldn't it be great to have standardised categories..

Though it does seem there are a few experts here who can help with all your download needs.
Mike C is the main expert from my experience, the rest of us pale into insignificance..
Sugarmegs has some live Man stuff, as mentioned yonks ago by the other Ron. Much to my surprsise I managed to download a gig from there.
I've never got to grips with this site. Yes, I can play gigs in WMP, but how to save and write to CD? What are .asx's, think I've just discovered the answer, right click the download button - and save as - saves a .wma file. Is this lossless?
Title: Re: Sugarmegs
Post by: Mike Cross on December 20, 2009, 07:22:54 PM
Just a heads-up for those who only visit Dime occasionally...

December 19, 2009:

Freeloader days for Christmas

Starting on December 24, 2009, 00:00 GMT, and lasting until December 27, 2009, 00:00 GMT, we'll have another freeloader days as a Christmas gift for all your poor folks with a bad share ratio.



DimeFAQ:Freeloader Days
From DimeWiki

Every once in a while, whenever he feels in the mood, our administrator Erwe declares Freeloader Days, a holiday from ratio enforcement.

The sharing that members do during Freeloader Days is added to their upload totals, but downloading during Freeloader Days does not accrue and is not counted in their account statistics. Also, the usual 0.25 minimum ratio for entering a torrent as a downloader is waived.

Any upcoming periods of Freeloader Days will be announced on DIME's front page, in the news section of this wiki's main page, and on our discussion list on Yahoo Groups. If there's nothing about them on DIME's front page, then we're not in them now and none are currently planned.
Title: Re: Sugarmegs
Post by: Nick Nation on December 21, 2009, 01:05:54 PM
Re: Converting WMA files to WAV

I've just had a look in Windows Media Player and can't see any way to do this. I also looked in Trader's Little Helper, Audacity, & VLC but they don't seem able to either.A quick Google of 'convert wav to wma' gave me lots & lots of hits so there's plenty of software out there that'll do it. Here's a free one: http://www.beethink.com/AudioConverter.htm (http://www.beethink.com/AudioConverter.htm) Or this: http://www.nch.com.au/switch/index.html (http://www.nch.com.au/switch/index.html) which has Free and Plus versions

I didn't realise the WMA needed to be converted to WAV - so I tried it on Switch (which I have anyway to convert my nice WAV files to ghastly MP3 for uploading to my Myspace site) with the 'Man with John Cippolina' gig on Sugarmegs (1 hour 46 mins) - but it only converted the first 30 seconds. I then downloaded the Beethink version - but got the same result.

So although I am now able to open these files on Cubase (for splitting into songs etc)....but only the first 30 seconds!

Aaaargh!!!! Typewriters!
Title: Re: Sugarmegs
Post by: Mark Davies on December 21, 2009, 07:29:36 PM
Re: Converting WMA files to WAV

I've just had a look in Windows Media Player and can't see any way to do this. I also looked in Trader's Little Helper, Audacity, & VLC but they don't seem able to either.A quick Google of 'convert wav to wma' gave me lots & lots of hits so there's plenty of software out there that'll do it. Here's a free one: http://www.beethink.com/AudioConverter.htm (http://www.beethink.com/AudioConverter.htm) Or this: http://www.nch.com.au/switch/index.html (http://www.nch.com.au/switch/index.html) which has Free and Plus versions

I didn't realise the WMA needed to be converted to WAV - so I tried it on Switch (which I have anyway to convert my nice WAV files to ghastly MP3 for uploading to my Myspace site) with the 'Man with John Cippolina' gig on Sugarmegs (1 hour 46 mins) - but it only converted the first 30 seconds. I then downloaded the Beethink version - but got the same result.

So although I am now able to open these files on Cubase (for splitting into songs etc)....but only the first 30 seconds!

Aaaargh!!!! Typewriters!

I use the last Freeware version of DBPowerAmp (v10). I just downloaded a Man wma file from SugarMegs & converted it to .wav and it worked OK. I could email you a copy of the DBPowerAmp install files - contact me off list if you do.

Sure you don't have some sort of corruption 30 sec in to the file?
Title: Re: Sugarmegs
Post by: Nick Nation on December 24, 2009, 09:49:29 AM
(Sigh)

Managed to register on Dime. Started to download. It all went quiet - too quiet.  Estimated download time -  3 hours. Meanwhile - started fiddling with a new Man Mash Up. Estimated download time - 1 day 3 hours. Stopped fiddling with a Man Mash Up. Started doing something 'proper' (which generally involve more tracks, MIDI, etc). Estimated download time now 3 days 4 hours. Threw an artistic wobbler, and still throwing.

Then informed by a wise person that Virgin/Ntl have a 'traffic management policy' and then the voices started laughing at my incompetence, naivety and very existence.


Sure you don't have some sort of corruption 30 sec in to the file?

Don't know. But my fridge has stopped working because it's so cold, everything in the freezer has defrosted.

(Sigh, now double strength). There goes my plan to do some serious downloading over Christmas. I will have another go at Sugarmegs later, although I realise that the sound quality won't be as good as that on Dime. At least my fridge might then start working....

Title: Re: Sugarmegs
Post by: Rob W on December 24, 2009, 11:26:16 AM
This is what I got when previously registered with Dime - download time 4 days b;ah blah blah.

Anyway, I'll have another go.



Title: Re: Sugarmegs
Post by: Tim W on December 24, 2009, 12:59:07 PM
Because of the way bittorrent works, long download times are part of the deal. It's intended to be a method of downloading that works more like a background task which you set going and forget about, and the system tells you when the download has finished. It's not like a conventional download you set going then sit in front of your screen waiting to finish. Downloads which take days or even weeks can happen, but so can those that take a matter of minutes. It depends not only on your available bandwidth, but on how many seeders there are. 
Title: Re: Sugarmegs
Post by: Rob W on December 24, 2009, 01:06:05 PM
Because of the way bittorrent works, long download times are part of the deal. It's intended to be a method of downloading that works more like a background task which you set going and forget about, and the system tells you when the download has finished. It's not like a conventional download you set going then sit in front of your screen waiting to finish. Downloads which take days or even weeks can happen, but so can those that take a matter of minutes. It depends not only on your available bandwidth, but on how many seeders there are. 

Thanks, Tim. This has been mentioned previously, maybe by you, but I presumed downloading slows everything down, and I'm often downloading stuff for work.

And pardon my ignorance, but when I shutdown my laptop, would the dowloading stop and have to be started again or just take longer and longer? We live ion an instant gratifuication world, remember ;)



Title: Re: Sugarmegs
Post by: Mike Cross on December 24, 2009, 08:18:21 PM
Re BitTorrent download times...

It is not unusual for the estimated time to complete to be a disconcertingly large interval when you first start downloading a torrent.

Providing there are a good number of seeders & leechers who are making a decent amount of bandwidth available the download speed will increase, and thus the time to complete will decrease, as your BT client connects to more people.

It's also not unusual for the download speed, & hence time to complete, to vary up & down while you are downloading a torrent.

If you pick a large torrent, eg a DVD, or one which has only a few seeders, who may not be making much bandwidth available to that torrent, then, yes, it can take a long time. But you will get there in the end, providing enough seeders stick around.

You can pause the download, closedown the BT client, and resume later, as many times as you like! That's one of the joys of the bittorrent process.

Many of the bittorrent clients allow you to configure how much of your available bandwidth the software will use. You should check what those values are, relative to the limits imposed by your ISP. If you let the BT client use all of your upstream and downstream bandwidth it won't leave much for anything else and other online activities will go slow. Similarly, if you're using a lot of bandwidth for other things, torrent activities won't go as fast as they could otherwise.

You should never let your BT client use the full upstream capacity of your connection, as this will seriously slow everything down.

For example, my upstream bandwidth limit is 256k bits/sec, which works out at c 32k bytes/sec. When I'm at home and surfing on another PC, I restrict the BT client to 24k bytes/sec upstream. If the torrenting PC is left on while I'm at work or asleep, I increase the limit to 29k bytes/sec, which is c 90% of the maximum.



Title: Re: Sugarmegs
Post by: Tim W on December 25, 2009, 01:15:17 AM
And pardon my ignorance, but when I shutdown my laptop, would the dowloading stop and have to be started again or just take longer and longer?

To get the best out of bittorrent, you leave your machine connected to the net pretty much 24/7... it's a technology which has grown hand in glove with always-on broadband connectivity - it wouldn't really be feasible if we were all still on dialup. But any unfinished downloads, the s/w knows where you left off and automatically starts again without duplicating anything.

Some users use a second or an older PC for nothing but bittorrent, sharing their connection through a router.

And once you've got the basics sorted, we then move onto the more advanced stuff like port forwarding and traffic shaping.

But for now, one step at a time...
Title: Re: Sugarmegs
Post by: Pete T on December 25, 2009, 01:30:17 AM
Lets put this simply.

Mr A puts up a Man gig, and tells Dime, or whichever server that it's available for others to download.
Mr B says, I want that and starts downloading sections from Mr A.
Mr C also wants it, so starts downloading from Mr A and Mr B. The bits he downloads from Mr A are different to the bits Mr B has downloaded, so Mr C can now upload some bits to Mr B. Mr B can also provide bits for Mr C.
The bit-torrent software works out who has what, and can then share with others.
The more people involved, the quicker the download, and shareing.
Mr B and Mr C thank Mr A for the upload.

Even up here in the far north southlands, most concerts download overnight. When you first start it may say 4 days to download, but leave it overnight and it's normally completed by morning. The bit torrent software will tell you how much you've downloaded, and how much you've given back. It's polite to try and keep a possitive share ratio, ie to try and give back equal or more than you've downloaded.