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Ron S

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Re: Man 1975 on Wolfgang's Vault
« Reply #15 on: August 07, 2008, 01:42:12 AM »
I like both, but I think the first albums by both are really their best. Zappa just extrapolated on the ideas heard of Freak Out. The Dead just never sounded as fun after the debut.


Zappa:
Freak Out!
Absolutely Free
We're Only In It...
Uncle Meat
Hot Rats
Weasels...
Chungas
Fillmore 71
Just Another Band
Overnite Sensation
Apostrophe

Dead
1st (a masterpiece as earlier asserted)
Anthem of the Sun
Aoxomoxoa
Live Dead
Workingmans
American Beauty
Skull & Roses
Europe 72

These are albums I love by artists I love. I feel I love them enough to be able to say that, other than odd tracks here and there, the rest of either artists' (considerable) catalogue is pretty dire stuff and I have all the sympathy in the world for folks that hate either Frank or the Dead when they have cited certain albums as an introduction.
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Re: Man 1975 on Wolfgang's Vault
« Reply #16 on: August 07, 2008, 02:12:09 AM »
Ron - that's it perfectly. They don't sound as much FUN ever again.

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Re: Man 1975 on Wolfgang's Vault
« Reply #17 on: August 07, 2008, 08:18:15 AM »
Hang on a minute, Pete. Your quote has made it look like ME that questions the Dead. It was John B!
Sorry Rob O, lost in cutting out the drivel!! ::)
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Re: Man 1975 on Wolfgang's Vault
« Reply #18 on: August 07, 2008, 09:13:26 AM »
   Just to stir the sh*te abit,  wasn't Dark Star a rip off of the Butterfield Blues Band Track  East & West off the album of the same name?

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Re: Man 1975 on Wolfgang's Vault
« Reply #19 on: August 07, 2008, 10:53:42 AM »
 :)Thanks Rob The Organ - I was about to compose an email asking for a beginners guide to The Grateful Dead, so your list of what's what is going to be a great help and is much appreciated.
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Re: Man 1975 on Wolfgang's Vault
« Reply #20 on: August 07, 2008, 11:04:55 AM »
just listening to Man on Wolfgangs Vault as I write this.It's really wonderful stuff,Martin very much acting as the MC just as he does now and on very good form.
The hairs on the back of the neck standing up as I listen to Many are Called-a cliched expression but it's true.
It would be nice to think the Men are receiving a royalty for this but somehow I doubt it,I know many concerts are available to buy from this site but cant see that the Man set is available to purchase.
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Re: Man 1975 on Wolfgang's Vault
« Reply #21 on: August 07, 2008, 01:40:25 PM »
Great debate.
I have always thought that there has been an element of "if it is very difficult to listen to, it must be good" about some music or "if it is by such and such then blind (deaf?) acceptance is due".
I can't think of a single band who's output hasn't included some utter dross, sometimes a whole albums worth.
But the point is that all music will find an audience.

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Martin Daughton

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Re: Man 1975 on Wolfgang's Vault
« Reply #22 on: August 07, 2008, 03:22:23 PM »
Talking of Zappa, has anyone ever thought of doing a version of "Valley Girl" but based in Merthyr?
I know I have...

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Re: Man 1975 on Wolfgang's Vault
« Reply #23 on: August 07, 2008, 03:26:24 PM »
   Just to stir the sh*te abit,  wasn't Dark Star a rip off of the Butterfield Blues Band Track  East & West off the album of the same name?

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East West was a huge influence on a lot of music. It took some of the Jeff Beck - Yardbirds ideas and extended them into a longer suite concept. The importance of Butterfield is often overlook these days. When I interviewed Richie Unterberger, he flat out said they were not an important band!
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Re: Man 1975 on Wolfgang's Vault
« Reply #24 on: August 07, 2008, 07:33:17 PM »
Hey Allan , is there anyway that the Wolfgangs vault can be downloaded, ive looked but can't find away
cheers
tony

Even if they don't provide a direct download link, you can record the music as you listen to it online, using an appropriate piece of software eg Audacity (freeware,  http://audacity.sourceforge.net ) and then save it to your hard disc. You may need to select the correct sound source (eg Stereo Mixer, rather than Mic, Line In, CD In, etc) and adjust the recording level; this can usually be done via the control panel for your sound card. 
Hi Mike i downloaded that programe , but now i still dont know how to capture the Wolfgang show , if you have it could i buy a copy from you please
cheers
tony
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Re: Man 1975 on Wolfgang's Vault
« Reply #25 on: August 07, 2008, 07:37:03 PM »
..using an appropriate piece of software eg Audacity..  
Hi Mike i downloaded that programe , but now i still dont know how to capture the Wolfgang show...

Yeah, having the same probs, set audacity recording, start the music playing, changed just about every setting I can find, but no way that's going to record.. ???
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Re: Man 1975 on Wolfgang's Vault
« Reply #26 on: August 07, 2008, 08:40:18 PM »
:)Thanks Rob The Organ - I was about to compose an email asking for a beginners guide to The Grateful Dead, so your list of what's what is going to be a great help and is much appreciated.

Ah, but Andrew - that's not necessarily a beginners guide to the Dead. Anthem of the Sun certainly isn't one to start out with!

For a beginners guide, I'd opt for three (albeit one of them a 3LP set) titles:

GRATEFUL DEAD (1st album; 1967)
As Ron says - fun. Still a lot of "freak beat" going on there, mostly quite uptempo, all clanging guitars and Vox organ with the occasional taster from Garcia of what's to come later. Viola Lee Blues is the only true wig-out on here, and Garcia's breathtaking bluegrass-voiced solo in their countrified take of "Sitting on Top of the World" is worthy of a mention. Still a great bar-band in those days, and the late Pigpen very much the frontman, whether from behind the organ or when blowing his harp.

AMERICAN BEAUTY (1970)
The second of two "back to basics" LPs from the post-psychedelic era. This phase was very useful in seeing which of the San Francisco notables were actually any good in the cold light of day! As well as the changing times, The Band had happened by then and pushed the "reset" button, bringing a shift to more focused, simpler songs with some roots tradition. The Dead rose to the challenge perfectly, whereas Jefferson Airplane started to fall apart (except Hot Tuna who emerged strong) and Quicksilver reunited with Dino Valenti and... well. Choice cuts are Sugar Magnolia, Ripple, Friend of the Devil, Truck...oh, all of it.

EUROPE '72
Originally a triple vinyl, some strong performances from their Euro jaunt in 1972 - albeit tidied up a little before release. Great guitar from Garcia and plenty of back catalogue gems given an extended airing. Pigpen's swansong. Not much more to say really - "does what it says on the tin".

See how you get on there, then try Live Dead and Workingmans Dead, followed by the rest of the 67-72 catalogue. Hope this helps! :-\

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Re: Man 1975 on Wolfgang's Vault
« Reply #27 on: August 07, 2008, 08:54:44 PM »
im looking forward to the rockin the cradle release of the dead from the pyramids  2 or 3 cd set plus dvd  due in sept from rhino   .
cheers
tony ;D

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Re: Man 1975 on Wolfgang's Vault
« Reply #28 on: August 07, 2008, 09:01:08 PM »
Were the Dead a good band?

I somehow liked "Box of Rain" from American Beauty, because it's a nice construction, nice harmonies etc., but all in all it's not tight enough to please me. And I think they never really got the vocals right, although they did choirs a lot ...

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Re: Man 1975 on Wolfgang's Vault
« Reply #29 on: August 07, 2008, 09:24:39 PM »
Box of Rain is a beautiful song but you're right - it could have been tighter. CSNY helped them arrange the vocals on that album, though. You'd think that would have sorted them out - but then again if it was around the time of "Four Way Street" maybe not!!!!

Phil Lesh rarely took a lead vocal with the Dead but always sung this one as he wrote most of it (the tune) in his car commuting to and from his father's hospital deathbed. Hunter's lyrics are as spot-on as ever.