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Mike Burgess

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Re: A NEW BEGINNING......
« Reply #15 on: November 26, 2008, 01:24:33 AM »
Well, its the same old Manband again, nice to know that some traditions never die!
Good luck with the new line up George and Bob, and hope to see you again next year. Lets have a proper tour again please!

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Re: A NEW BEGINNING......
« Reply #16 on: November 26, 2008, 02:25:24 AM »
 Hello Everyone,
                    I thought I was pretty clear, but maybe there's been a misunderstanding.
Just to get some things straight, yes, Phil Ryan did leave the band but I certainly did not.
MAN didn't split up but George Jones and Bob Richards have been fired.The reasons for this are not a matter for discussion on this board and the protagonists are fully aware of the facts.
Me and Josh Ace will continue with Rene Robrahn on drums and James Beck on guitar as MAN.
The new album, produced by Phil, won't come out for the upcoming tours of Britain and Germany. We will record another one in January with the new line up.
                                                                    Best wishes to you all,
                                                                                                 Martin Ace

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Re: A NEW BEGINNING......
« Reply #17 on: November 26, 2008, 09:18:30 AM »
Oh dear, Oh dear :(

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Re: A NEW BEGINNING......
« Reply #18 on: November 26, 2008, 09:26:57 AM »
My worst fears. Man have turned into Wishbone Ash..
Virgin places don't mean a thing to people who never bring their hearts along.

Martyn Jones

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Re: A NEW BEGINNING......
« Reply #19 on: November 26, 2008, 10:12:54 AM »
All I can say is good luke George with the new line up looking forward to seeing the band next year and the new album to.

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Re: A NEW BEGINNING......
« Reply #20 on: November 26, 2008, 10:28:38 AM »
Right, my diplomatic restraint has gone.

It's great to hear from Martin. However, and accepting I don't know the full facts here, I am nevertheless disappointed that he has used emotive words such as 'fired' and 'protagonists' to describe George and Bob, especially in comparison to the more measured and diplomatic statement originally put out by George. The result is that he has lost any sympathy I might have had for his position.

George, Bob - you will understandably be tempted to respond to Martin's comments, but there's really no need to. Leave that to us.

Best wishes for the new album and line up. Stick to your guns.



 
 

Colin Salter

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Re: A NEW BEGINNING......
« Reply #21 on: November 26, 2008, 10:57:33 AM »
We don't know the circumstances so cannot judge Martin's use of language. "Fired" and "protagonists" don't strike me as particularly emotive, I must say, and I have to confess I was more annoyed by George's initial denial and then his dissembling announcement of the "changes".

The facts may not be a subject for discussion but in the nature of forums they sure as hell are going to be a subject for speculation. We love these guys, and want to know what, as Robert de Niro would say, just happened? First the whole Effigy business, then a split announced by Jim Driver and denied by George; then one version by George and another by Martin. This is politics, not rock and roll, and we want rock and roll! (It's only rock and roll.) None of this of course does any service to the reputation and memory of the good ship and all who have sailed in her either past or present.

Who knows what happened about the Effigy stuff, but presumably it was a prelude to this Wishbone Ash storm. Perhaps the album mix was the centre of it, or the direction, or the choice of songs. I dread the thought that there's a brand new Phil Ryan Man album which may never see the light of day. But watever happened to trying songs out on the road, letting them form organically? Maybe the ability to tour was behind all this disruption. I really miss seeing the band live. And bloody hell, I miss Micky.

Maybe it's time up. I'd rather see the band fold than tear itself apart into smaller and weaker parts of the original whole. I'd rather see a Manband with a musical connection to its past than one bearing the name but striking out in some bold new direction. Nothing wrong with bold new directions, but they deserve bold new names. It seems to me that Martin bears the flag, which he can carry or pass on.

I saw T Rex a couple of years ago. Mickey Finn had reformed the band just before his death, so the members of that band were entitled to call themselves T Rex rather than a tribute band. And the sound was very good. But it was a tribute act, not a living thing. Don't know why that just popped into my head.

Kinda tough to promote a 40th anniversary under these circumstances. Maybe we should just wait for the 50th!

Pete Clarkson

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Re: A NEW BEGINNING......
« Reply #22 on: November 26, 2008, 11:43:25 AM »
I'm Spartacus!

Peter Steventon

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Re: A NEW BEGINNING......
« Reply #23 on: November 26, 2008, 12:13:22 PM »
So who will be Man..... George?s band or Martin?s band

Colin Salter

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Re: A NEW BEGINNING......
« Reply #24 on: November 26, 2008, 12:17:06 PM »
I'm thinking maybe Deke and Phil could get together wth John Mackenzie and Tweke and Dave Charles ...

Colin Salter

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Re: A NEW BEGINNING......
« Reply #25 on: November 26, 2008, 12:23:31 PM »
Maybe now would be a good time to reform Alkatraz! Back in 1976 it felt like they were going to carry the torch after Man split.

Martyn Jones

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Re: A NEW BEGINNING......
« Reply #26 on: November 26, 2008, 01:01:27 PM »
Lets hope they do not get into the mess Wishbone ash have got themselfs into as it seems to have got very ugly, any one know who owns MAN I always thouht it was Micky Jones's band if that is the case then his son George may be able to carry on, but as we have seen with band names it can be a mine field

Colin Salter

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Re: A NEW BEGINNING......
« Reply #27 on: November 26, 2008, 01:24:28 PM »
It was always said that Man belonged to whoever was in it at the time of course. Which is no help in this situation! Five potential Manbands  - in the good old days that used to be called a Welsh Convention. Maybe that's the way forward - a perpetual package tour of different Manbands.

Martyn Jones

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Re: A NEW BEGINNING......
« Reply #28 on: November 26, 2008, 01:55:58 PM »
Thanks Oric for that still dose not help any of the band like the package tour idea though

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Re: A NEW BEGINNING......
« Reply #29 on: November 26, 2008, 03:38:49 PM »
...any one know who owns MAN....

I believe this has been Martin, in which case he would be entitled to use the name  - and George wouldn't.

Mind you, I'm rather warming to the concept of....and trying to be correct legally here....Man (featuring Martin Ace)....and George Jones's Man. Or even Son of Man.

George, Bob - get on with that album.