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Re: "Brand New" Kamikaze 8-track !!!
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2009, 09:48:59 AM »
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=310121809762&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:GB:1123

Bloody hell.....  :o

Actually, Ebay also has a wealth of 8-track players available too:

http://shop.ebay.co.uk/?_from=R40&_trksid=m38.l1313&_nkw=8+track+player&_sacat=See-All-Categories

If I can get a Ford Capri on Ebay too, then this might be a goer (as it were...).

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Re: "Brand New" Kamikaze 8-track !!!
« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2009, 10:29:49 PM »
 the photograph of that looks exquisite,wonder what it sounds like?-peace

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Re: "Brand New" Kamikaze 8-track !!!
« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2009, 12:10:47 AM »
the photograph of that looks exquisite,wonder what it sounds like?-peace
Tapes, to my ears, have always been inferior to vinyl or digital CD. I can't get away from the fact that recorded information on tapes depends on the alignment of magnetic particles within the tape. Do these not interfere with themselves as they are wound on the spool. Also have consider tape stretch as well.
Vinyl is almost as bad. What do you use to pick up vibrations from a record groove, a diamond, the hardest substance known to man. What are records make of, 2 oz of plastic, the two seem to be poor partners for each other. And don't store them in direct sunlight, or next to radiators. A recent program on radio scotland discussed the merits of vinyl, seems that "serious" vinylophiles only listen to an album two or three times, so as not to damage it, and then use taped recordings, or in todays terminology, i-pods. CD's aren't the perfect solution, these too suffer from dirt and dust contamination, but are a lot less bulky than the vinyl conterpart. So what's best? Live shows of course, so long as there's a better soundman than at the Musician..!!, but then it's difficult to re-live the memory..

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Re: "Brand New" Kamikaze 8-track !!!
« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2009, 10:51:13 PM »
Tapes, to my ears, have always been inferior to vinyl or digital CD. I can't get away from the fact that recorded information on tapes depends on the alignment of magnetic particles within the tape. Do these not interfere with themselves as they are wound on the spool. Also have consider tape stretch as well.

Well said Pete! Exactly so. A pox on the cassette and the lamentable quality it delivered.......

Vinyl is almost as bad.

Oh dear. And he was doing so well....

What do you use to pick up vibrations from a record groove, a diamond, the hardest substance known to man. What are records make of, 2 oz of plastic, the two seem to be poor partners for each other.

Actually, for the purposes of manufacturing a record and playing it, the two substances have a fairly well-proven track record of some longevity as being well-suited as partners. Go on....

the photograph of that looks exquisite,wonder what it sounds like?-peace
And don't store them in direct sunlight, or next to radiators.

Oh yes, I forgot that. They are a nuisance LPs. For the same reason as fresh fruit, vegetables, meat, drinking water.....

A recent program on radio scotland discussed the merits of vinyl, seems that "serious" vinylophiles only listen to an album two or three times, so as not to damage it, and then use taped recordings, or in todays terminology, i-pods.

Well - to wrap up the banter and make a serious point, there probably are some that do. I think it's all about the warm, "real" sound of an LP that wins over those of us that still buy and play them. Early CD releases that had been "Rigidly De-mastered" sounded like they were recorded in a clinic, though it has improved. More often than not, the more pernickety vinyl fan will play an LP then buy another copy when it is believed that the record has started to deteriorate in sound quality. That's obviously going to be considered a nuisance for extra storage - assuming you don't sell the original to someone with an old-school music centre that can't hear the degradation anyway.

Staying with the topic of storage - one vinyl LP takes up less space than five copies of a CD that people tend to own by the time it has been released, re-released with bonus tracks, re-re-released with better sound quality and even more bonus tracks, licensed and released on a gold CD by Mobile Fidelity and re-re-re-released by the artist on their independant label after they buy the catalogue back and punt it out with a ten hour gig DVD of the same era that they "happen" to have found.

I have to say that to hear Greasy Truckers Party properly, you still have to go back to your vinyl - or if you want to hear Micky you do anyway.
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Re: "Brand New" Kamikaze 8-track !!!
« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2009, 10:57:42 PM »
the photograph of that looks exquisite,wonder what it sounds like?-peace

It'll sound like shit. It's an 8-track cartridge.

(Sorry, I completely forgot the original question in my torrent of vinyl-support. But I think this is what Pete was trying to say about the 8-track and he's spot on with that one.)

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« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2009, 11:30:38 PM »
A pox on the cassette....

Yes Rob, but having spent many happy hours re-spooling bits of reel to reel tape which had unravelled themselves down the stairs and trying to find bits on the floor, I thought the concept of a cassette was rather a good idea at the time. Even more so when the first 4 track portastudios came out - they ran at double speed and in one direction only so as to use the entire width of tape, thereby increasing their audio quality no end.

Vinyl is warm, but crackly and fragile. Tape is warm but hissy, fragile and squished high frequencies, although it does have a natural compression that I miss on digital. Go gently into the red on analogue and it can be quite good. Go gently into the red on digital and you get this rrrrrrrrriiiiiiiiippppppppppp sound from the end of the world and a corrupted file that a pressing plant won't touch.  CDs are tougher, don't crackle or hiss - but are cold. I accept they have warmed up a touch with the increase in sampling rate, but I think we've yet to get the ideal medium.
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Re: "Brand New" Kamikaze 8-track !!!
« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2009, 12:32:41 AM »
good points all, of course;don't recall ever hearing many 8 tracks,never had a player,seen them around at

people's houses in the 70's....but i recently found a cassette tape of

goat's head soup in my neighborhood record shop and when i put it on in the car, well it sounded very good;

the drums and percussion sounded good,crisp,maybe it was a good mix in that edition.and i have a cassette

copy of the nazz' first album that i came across in kansas city that also sounds good over the stereo.plus

they don't scratch(although they can do other funny stuff).and i like to make mixtapes...in

terms of vinyl, well if the needle is good i'm in,the original mixes will sound just fine.plus with the big

jacket(and this is of course key)you get the stuff to look at while listening if one so desires.cd's, well they

start skipping a lot after a while(i don't think i take care of them enough),plus the pare down in size

depresses me in terms of the artwork(i guess it didn't bother me as much with cassettes, which weren't a

"replacement" for vinyl). new "rereleases" or "previously unreleased" tracks on cd are nice, though of course

a lot of stuff doesn't make the jump to warp speed...i don't have a i pod yet... i am able to

get some songs from keep on crinting on my phone...i have a record player that you can record vinyl on

cd...it's nice finding music on the you tube(maybe i should look into improved computer speakers)...and i am

a proponent of live music because people can get together and celebrate-peace ...

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« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2009, 04:43:38 AM »
the photograph of that looks exquisite,wonder what it sounds like?-peace

It'll sound like shit. It's an 8-track cartridge.

(Sorry, I completely forgot the original question in my torrent of vinyl-support. But I think this is what Pete was trying to say about the 8-track and he's spot on with that one.)

Having worked in shops during the 8 Track heyday, I just have to laugh. People would come in with the tape pulled out of the cartridge wonder how to "fix" them. Answer: toss them out the window. Absolutely the worst music delivery device ever! They had an incredibly short life span, do to the tape pulling out from the center of the spool. It meant the tapes was constantly doing something that makes no sense at all. The nostalgia for 8-Tracks is just silly. Except, you need Wish You Were Here, because part one and two are linked together with a guitar solo
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« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2009, 04:56:40 PM »
A solo by Snowy White, forsooth! (oh sorry, wrong thread)

He whacked it out on Gilmour's houseboat, so to speak, and was then told the bad news and the good news.

Bad: You aren't on the album
Good: You are on the eight-track...  ;D

Well, it seemed like good at the time.

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« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2009, 02:56:10 AM »
A pox on the cassette....

Yes Rob, but having spent many happy hours re-spooling bits of reel to reel tape which had unravelled themselves down the stairs and trying to find bits on the floor, I thought the concept of a cassette was rather a good idea at the time. Even more so when the first 4 track portastudios came out - they ran at double speed and in one direction only so as to use the entire width of tape, thereby increasing their audio quality no end.


Nick - do explain how using the entire width of a tape for four tracks rather than half the width for a stereo pair increases the sound quality...

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Re: "Brand New" Kamikaze 8-track !!!
« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2009, 10:41:19 AM »
Nick - do explain how using the entire width of a tape for four tracks rather than half the width for a stereo pair increases the sound quality...

OK Rob - the answer is....two!
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« Reply #12 on: February 22, 2009, 09:22:23 PM »
Nick - do explain how using the entire width of a tape for four tracks rather than half the width for a stereo pair increases the sound quality...

OK Rob - the answer is....two!

You mean you used two "lanes" for each half of a stereo pair? That makes sense if so.