Man - More Esoteric Releases....

[Nick Nation]

...we listened to some stuff from the esoteric back into the future release and that reminds me,there is no personnel listed on it.were there more people in the studio then previously written?whose playing all the guitars?i can recognize micky jones a lot but i would like to familiarize myself with how some of the other cats sound. and does anyone off hand know the line up for "the symbol who came to dinner?"

Davey, 'Dad's Bag'/'Just For You'/'BITF'/'Don't Go Away' were by the short lived four piece line up of Micky Jones, Terry Williams, Phil Ryan and Will Youatt. On all the rest, Tweke Lewis also played.

'The Symbol' was a Phil Ryan song that was initially played live when he and Will joined, but dropped in favour of material that would later appear on BGTY. It was revived and recorded as part of the original BITF sessions with the intention of it being released as a single....but Man being Man it was never released and ultimately wasn't even included on the original 'BITF'.

It could be fun to get the masters onto .wav files and have a remix contest (probably for one track) with the board members voting for their favourite. I'd be keen to have a go.

Me too (of course) but mixing is something I find very difficult and frustrating because I can never really achieve the sounds I have in my head...
 

[Rob the Organ]

Me too (of course) but mixing is something I find very difficult and frustrating because I can never really achieve the sounds I have in my head...
 

Upgrade to Cubase 5! Dai just bought it and the mastering suite is fantastic!

[Nick Nation]

Upgrade to Cubase 5! Dai just bought it and the mastering suite is fantastic!

Yeah, I understand it includes things like side chain compression that mine (version 4) doesn't...however, it's not the gear, it's me who's the problem! It was the same during my first musical phase, when it was all analogue. For me, mixing has always been slow, painful, then a chore, then I can't tell what's what and it all blurs together. It's the woolly bits that accompany the bass/kick that is my main undoing, like the submerged bits of icebergs scraping together....a proper producer, who can hear these things and know what to do about them, is a boon. If you can afford them. Which I can't. And a proper mastering engineer, ditto. Still, the show must go on...although I won't put wet towels on the cymbals or have the drums sounding like cardboard to get round it. Maybe I should!