Man at The Inn At Lathones

[Gavin Crumpton]

Oric, why is ok for you, Jules Michael and Allan etc to make the same point repeatedly and not me?
Do you only want to hear opinions you agree with? Do you want a one sided forum that praises Martin's band constantly? I'm hardly a lone voice in these opinions am I?

Gavin

You claim not to be a lone voice of criticism, but a quick review of the posts following the recent UK dates shows nothing but positive comments about the band, the playing, the set choice etc. etc. I looked hard for someone who was actually there to say that something was naff, but couldn't see anything negative at all.

Obviously wounds are deep, but and you are, of course, entitled to allow them to fester for ever and a day, if that is what you want.

Come on boys, do something. Just a little bit would help. It's better than doing nothing, instead of sitting round thinking of yourself......


Come on boys, do something. You gotta make your move. It's better than doing nothing, instead of hanging round with those complex blues........


Ring a bell?

Like I said there are a small number of people who REALLY like this current band, People are voting with their feet both at the gigs and by not bothering to post on here any more.

I'd really like to know why you think I have wounds rather than an opinion?
I'd say if any one has wounds to heal it's the Manband after the year they've had!

If were going to quote Man lyrics how about "When the end comes in sight, you will find I was right..."

[Rob W]

Or we could have:-

"I've got a funny kind of feeling that you don't like us no more........................."

[Gavin Crumpton]

Or we could have:-

"I've got a funny kind of feeling that you don't like us no more........................."

I always like that the last track on the last Man album is called "Dissolve into Despair"

How apt!

[HSamuel]

"The moment we want to believe something, we suddenly see all the arguments for it, and become blind to the arguments against it." (George Bernard Shaw)

Without wishing to take sides in the ongoing 'debate' it appears to me that there are two diametrically opposed views here, one is that Martin (by virtue of his treatment of George, Micky & Bob) does not deserve to be calling the band 'Man', and that people should not condone his actions by attending gigs - the other that the music that Man have been producin on the current tour outweighs any ethical considerations, and that it's only the music that matters.  Both sides has now become so entrenched that it has became 'personal'.  Guys - PLEASE agree to differ, and in the words of Sir Cliff - Move On (... or should that have been Move It)

[Colin Salter]

Wise words, Mr Samuel, and as they say so often on Dragon's Den, I'm out (of this particular debate) with apologies to all for having stirred it up again. It's not what I come here for!

[lloydie]

Lets hope next year we will have the current line up and George and Bobs to support.What a bonus !! How about a double header with Space Ritual or similar. 

[Pete T]

You claim not to be a lone voice of criticism, but a quick review of the posts following the recent UK dates shows nothing but positive..

Alan K,

There are a lot of Man fans who have given up with the current incarnation of the "Man" band. Because of the crap latest album, because of the way the Joneses and Richards have been treated, and because the thought of thought of attending an Ace driven concert with Ace penned songs.
I have made my feelings on this well known, and have since stopped posting here because the rest of the posters here can only see Ace through rose tinted eyes (God, he'll write a ditty about that now).
It is MY opinion that Man ceased to exist after George and Bob were booted out, and that I'd rather keep my memories of the good days (and I've got lots of them), rather than spoil them with the Martin Ace Band.. Any music created since the split is weakening the back-catalogue of a once great band.
I fully suport Gavin, and his comments..

I am only posting this because AlanK is new here, and dosen't seem to realise the extent of the bad feelings towards MAM, so don't bother telling me to f*** off again.

[AlanK]

Pete

I fully take your point.

I am 'new' in the sense that the 'noughties' were for me lost years, where anything that was happening in the world of Man passed me by in a haze of indifference. I'm sorry to admit that George, Bob & Gareth were just names and their musical output did not feature in my consciousness.

However I am 'old' in the sense of attending my first Man gig in 1973, buying a new Christmas at The Patti LP in the shops, having a blue Man T-shirt with guitars forming the rib cage, being in Barry & Jenny Marshall's fanclub and spending an unhealthy portion of my life listening to man on vinyl, CD and in MP3 format.

I am simply delighted that 2 of the guys who have given me so much pleasure over the years are still on the road, playing to such a high standard, and have managed to put together a cracking band which in my humble opinion is well worthy of the Man name.

I fully accept that others will see things differently. Kingdom of Noise has considerable defects, but after all how many of us play Endangered Species or Call Down the Moon more that Back into the Future, Be Good to Yourself  or 2 Oz of Plastic?

So, it's been an interesting few days, but that's me out of here for now.

Wishbone Ash in Aberdeen a week on Sunday - and there's only one original there, but who cares?

[Colin Salter]

Pete T and Alan K, all good points well made, and it would be a shame if either of you stopped contributing here  - it's not all heat and fire, and surely we all have much to agree on and enjoy together!

Endangered Species is right up there for me with BGTYALOAD. But one of the joys of this forum is finding that we all came to Man at different times and through different albums. (But I too bought Patti and Greasy new in the shops - thrilling times, those days of discovery!)

[Allan Heron]

Wishbone Ash in Aberdeen a week on Sunday - and there's only one original there, but who cares?

Funnily enough, the other three original members who have serious issues with Mr Powell.   Martin Turner's WA are a much better band imo, albeit that they don't do any fresh stuff.

[Michael Heatley]

the rest of the posters here can only see Ace through rose tinted eyes

Sorry, what!?!?!

That does not apply to me, Pete - I am sure you didn't intend it to.

I have made a musical judgement on the new band based on my eyes and ears and am happy to stand by that. Anyone who sees the live shows and doesn't like, their opinions will carry more weight with me.

[Allan Heron]

the rest of the posters here can only see Ace through rose tinted eyes

Sorry, what!?!?!

That does not apply to me, Pete - I am sure you didn't intend it to.

I have made a musical judgement on the new band based on my eyes and ears and am happy to stand by that. Anyone who sees the live shows and doesn't like, their opinions will carry more weight with me.

I rather suspect most people will have had a similar response to you on Pete's comment.   There's a line between disagreeing with someone's opinions and belittling them............

[Colin Salter]

Yes, same here. In fact I was recalling on the way home from Lathones how critical I had been of the setlist of the current line-up a few months ago, when it was for my taste too reliant on Martin's jokier material. In fact it wasn't until a couple of days before the gig, and pursuaded by the positive reviews of all those who posted them, that I decided to give the band a fair hearing and go along at all. Very glad I did.

[Pete T]

Sorry, what!?!?!
That does not apply to me, Pete - I am sure you didn't intend it to.
I have made a musical judgement on the new band based on my eyes and ears and am happy to stand by that. Anyone who sees the live shows and doesn't like, their opinions will carry more weight with me.

Appologies to all if I offended. But the atmosphere here is a little heated at the moment.
There are 4 kinds of people.
1. Those that have never heard, or dislike Man (as close to 100% of the population as is possible)
The remaining miniscule portions are split as follows..
2. Those that like the 70's 10-30 minute epics, C'mon, Love your life, Spunk Rock, Bananas in their varying forms
3. Those that like the 80's-00's shorter songs.
4. Those that like 2. and 3.

I, clearly, fit into the second kind, while you, Micheal, are in group 4, along with Jules, Allan, and a host of others. It is this group that I was trying to give a name to, I shall call you group 4's from now on..
The above groups are very loose, as there are songs from the recent era that easily fit into group 2, and songs from the 70's that fit into group 4. Now what was it I was trying to say  

I rather suspect most people will have had a similar response to you on Pete's comment.   There's a line between disagreeing with someone's opinions and belittling them............

Iwasn't trying to belittle, I hope the above explains this OK without causing any more offence..

[Colin Salter]

None taken here, PeteT.